Atleast make them fly with zeppe if anything they are now kinda useless

God no, that's a bad idea. First of all, bombers and fighters have been made even more powerful than they had been previously, though fighter cannons do not do damage to custom durability blocks or terracotta, secondly, they were never meant to carry cargo because they are ATTACK CRAFT. They are the second fastest crafts as far as i am aware and can outpace all the main combat crafts, and for balancing need to have a carrier craft that they're tied down by. They are not intended to be leisure crafts, they are bomber and fighter planes, and are capable of dishing out serious damage with a high risk of getting shot down. If you want a leisure/cargo plane, make a zeppelin.

planes needing zeps is still dumb, they are their own vehicle and should be treated as such, planes never needed to be chained to larger crafts and could always fly on their own, perhaps limit the amount of furnaces on them and make them fly a short distance maybe 3000-4000 blocks before needing refuelling needing zeps to fly planes is stupid and annoying, you can't have fun dogfights and you can't go on a long firing run against enemy vehicles or artillery, just look at any video of planes shooting and you will see there is no anchor to a zeppelin in sight

Ah yes, because reality is what all game balancing revolves around. Whether or not it is realistic for planes to absolutely require a carrier to fly, it is good for game balancing which matters most. There is a creative testing server and an arena if you want free flying planes, otherwise having them require a carrier craft (whose plane-enabling ranges got boosted a fair ways recently) is good for balancing. Having limited furnaces does not limit a plane's range, it only means you have to refuel more often. Having a hard cap on how far you can go is likely to cause more issues than you want with letting them go free of carriers. Once again, they are attack craft and not meant for other uses, and as such are tied to carrier crafts to keep them more in check. They should not necessarily be treated as their own crafts, since they are the primary weapons given for both carrier crafts, and act as such

If there is nothing tying planes down, then the richer players and defenders will have a massive advantage in unlimited planes with no way to disable their use. Having a required carrier craft tied to them that has to be outside of claims fully means that planes can be disabled if you chase down the carrier. Zeppelins have been balanced around that in being very weak, while allowing planes to fly inland with range of about half that of an aircraft carrier.

i just like planes oreo, they're fun to use and they should be able to have at least a much longer range, i don't like the carrier craft because they are very limiting, but with half decent aiming you can take down fighters and bombers ez, even if you don't let fighters free bombers should, they can be a little slower than fighters and due to a larger size get taken down easily, they are like the battleship of the skies. Zeppelins are cargo aircraft and should be treated as such, they should not play such a large role in sieges that should be left to bombers and fighters which should also be their own thing, not tied to another vehicle even if you keep fighters attached to carrier craft and maybe that's fair let bombers fly freely amongst the clouds raining hell onto the ground below

neither bombers nor fighters should be able to freely fly, and i don't imagine this will ever change. In fact i would be that it's more likely that fighters/bombers get removed sooner than they get to fly without carriers. Also, zeppelins are not the only carrier crafts as you seem to suggest, aircraft carriers also work with a 1000 block range. Go use some planes in the creative server and try and argue they're too weak to do lots of damage without carriers. Bottom line, they have been tied to carriers for a whole year now and that is not without reason. If you don't have enough people to pilot a carrier so you can play around with fighters around your town, that's a shame, but you can do stuff in the creative world without carriers

@Wabbit_01 Planes can't fly "that" fast? what lmfao. Also in what world are combat planes (in an old era no less) 10000km away from an aircraft base? It also poses a balancing threat on its own, if this is allowed.

The rest is skill issue in the literal sense, as you haven't used Fighters or Bombers effectively or even correctly

I agree with Wabbit

I only agree cuz I wanna use a helicopter :skull:

an idea can be 1) maintain limit planes to zep or aircraft + (but also) 2) allow fliying near homecity, so that also solo player can enjoy and also to have plane to defende in city

fighters can tear through ground vehicles incredibly easily, and bombers have a high capacity for coal, while torpedoes and bombs have both been made quite powerful compared to before, 5 torpedoes can sink a dreadnought, and 1 should be able to wipe out any ground vehicle, bombs are also very powerful and can likely take out a tank in 1-3 hits depending on the size/armoring. both crafts are incredibly fast, and very very smooth to control, they're incredibly easy to maneuver with which makes them harder to shoot down. all of this means they need a large slow craft to tie them down and enable them to work, for balancing purposes. as has been stated, they are not leisure crafts, they are not supposed to be used without a carrier by one person or by a number of people, and they most certainly should not be specifically enabled by anything within a town or by towns themselves, because then you would have infinite planes spitting out of a defender fort and mowing down all the attacking forces