Newcomers dont have access to an endgame item

Large towns (and their mayors) already have a large amount of wealth

+ inflation (again)

then fortune will work

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I dont think newcomers should automatically have endgame item, and larger towns from my pov are towns which are important to the nation so they get occupation or siege region money, carbo furances and pretty much all furnaces don't seem to be worth making atm, gold is ofc more common currently due to thr new update, but carbo furances had it at start of n2 when there was alotta gold, why not now, plus theres just too many 6 hour gold miners, i vote thumbs up

The removal of gold-multiplication wasn't for the purpose of inflation. It was to disincentivize gold mining as the most effective way to earn money. The problem is that despite massive inflation since the beginning of n2, prices have basically stagnated or gone down on most items.

This has led us to conclude that normal economic principals just don't apply, and so a different approach had to be taken. Now, end-game players should be less incentivized to utilize solely gold mining, and hopefully work towards other ends like trading or sf production to obtain money. It makes money worth more overall, and shouldn't affect new players (as humik and Stanchez pointed out, carbonado furnaces aren't going to be something new players or towns have access to)

It's a completely fair criticism that this is an unfair change, but on the other hand without a reset there needs to be some flexibility to change the meta. And, in most cases, money gained now won't be worth less than money in the past.

Of course, if this change doesn't have the desired effect, it can be changed back. However, the hope isn't to reduce inflation overall, it's to change how and why people grind money on the server. In n

i would honestly like this idea of removing multiplification of gold if there was more effective ways of getting money, though controlling naval region is like needle in butt (can say from experience), and silver has been ineffective, selling items might be cool and all but its 50/50 sometimes u go homeless sometimes u get full pockets

Personally I would like to see the Luck mutiplying thing entirely removed from Enhanced Furnaces. Faster speed and more efficient fuel should be enough. But I understand it might be a little controversial. I heavily oppose to the financial discrepancy that its mere ownership creates between a new player and a player who has a make-ot-and-forget-it OP furnace. I think this was also one of the reasons Gold (a.k.a. money) multiplying was removed.

i'm not sure if the enchanced furnaces are worth making for the improved speed and efficency, in the end game it'd be super neat having it for the multiplification, but i'm not sure if its worth all the resources

I gotta agree with Alphar, something has to be done

Gold mining takes a LOT of investment to be worth doing and takes HOURS of time to get started and actually make money with it, along with if you aren’t careful you can die with your 10s of thousands in pickaxes and mining loot.

Right now, it’s simply not worth it to mine if you want to actually make money in a somewhat reasonable amount of time.Very few people make mining their entire income, most of which are dedicated players wanting to support larger towns and nations.

This means that over time towns will become smaller and it will be even harder for newer players to catch up and compete with large and established nations, along with it’s not like theres a large trading market for any items besides items that are already mostly monopolized (or items like runes which require large amounts of money and time to actually start lol).

A small nerf of maybe a max of 4x ore to 3x ore would be fair to make mining not as lucrative, but I don’t believe just removing the multiplier is a good idea as it just makes mining not worth it, and even more of a chore than it already is.

Also carbonados are relatively annoying to get, but newcomers can probably get them in roughly a week assuming even a few hours of playtime over the course of that week, if not even quicker. Most players have access to carbonados, and if they don’t they can probably get access to one through joining a nation.

Maybe the only furnaces with multiplier could be Reinforced and Carbonado and they would simply have a 1.5x multiplier at most. Idk just an idea.

And to note the multiplier could work on other things too not just ore*

as a response to Liciea's comment i would like to argue that sf production of equal value to that of the reinforced furnace will take alot longer for a new player to set up compared to a reinforced furnace which means the new players are also effected by the new changes most likly more than the established players which can rely on other means of end game money gathering like large scale trading which new players are incapable of, or grinding runes which the new players dont have the money or tools to invest into it before it becomes profitable

also i dont understand your argument that " The problem is that despite massive inflation since the beginning of n2, prices have basically stagnated or gone down on most items." how exactly is this nerf going to fix the issue? its pushing prices even further down with the amount of gold in the system still getting bigger. the best way to counter inflation is introduce more things that take money out of the system other than upkeep

What I'm saying Frog is that inflation isn't the issue. If inflation were the issue, then we'd see prices skyrocket past anything a new player could obtain. Instead, we've seen either a stagnation or a decrease of prices across the board.

You're correct that well-established players do have other areas to fall back on. The removal of explosive and the multiplication, on top of greatly reducing the top levels of gold mining, also cut out a mid-game for gold mining. That's simply going to be a negative that occurs in this type of change.

However, the reason for the change is primarily to make money-making for end-game players something other than gold mining. If you're saying that slimefun is now more effective, that's amazing. If trading high-tier goods is more effective, that's the intended effect. The most common argument that was given as to why experienced players wouldn't be engaged in the economy is because it paled in comparison to gold mining. These changes balance out that problem.

You're correct that the best way to make a stimulated economy is to put in things that people will spend money on. But what? That's the problem here. There are in theory so many things a person could spend money on, but we just need individuals to produce those items. They have to make the personal choice that selling items is the best way to go, and I think that heavily nerfing gold is a major step in balancing out that decision.

To Gingful, making gold less worth it is kinda the point. If someone would have had access to carbonado, they probably have access to an eff 5 pickaxe. If that's the case, they can almost certainly keep up with upkeep (even with the nerfed gold mining) unless they're dealing with a major city's upkeep on their own. This change shouldn't destroy the average player's ability to pay for upkeep, but it has a major effect on end-game player's ability to accumulate wealth without interfacing with any kind of player.