Vassalization Rework • CCNet

Vassalization Rework Back

NoahTarHeel over 2 years ago

Vassalization needs a rework on nations. The effect of your vassal being forcefully allied to you and allied with your allies makes sense within the domain of a willing vassalage, but subjugation needs to be reworked. Nations that are subjugated and their overlord are ten times out of ten not friends whatsoever. But the fact the vassaling treats them the same as one that would be is really inconvenient. These nations can see ally chat and can access forts of their overlord and overlord's allies. Please rework this so that subjugation is actually a viable option.

Comments

Lighteye.gm over 2 years ago

This already has been suggested way before. I dunno why wasn't it applied ingame

RuleBlocks over 2 years ago

Skulled613 over 2 years ago

I agree this is really counter productive in subjugation terms

Kingstanchez over 2 years ago

Hello noah, allow me to explain why a vassal nation is forced to adopt it's overlord's ally list

1) Vassals shouldn't get to have independent diplomacy (they lost that right after being subjugated)

2) If the ally list is not the exact same, a vassal could be seen fighting against it's overlord in a siege

Forcing a nation to become your vassal is not just a better occupation method.

ijustcall over 2 years ago

then vassal should have 2 types, the current vassal system is bad and bad only

mr_S0P over 2 years ago

I belive that "overlord" nation should be able to controll are vassals able to see ally chat and have perms in towns where Ally perms are on and ofcourse there should be way of releasing vassal without unoccupying them.

cvn_ over 2 years ago

Actually vassals' solidarity should be able to be limited by their overlord. Sharing same diplomacy and same sides in a siege or revoking their fighting perks in other sieges, which forces vassal to revolt at some point.