Zaify has specifically mentioned that it's subjected to change. So this is just an experimental change. If zaify feels like it needs more nerfing after idk 2 weeks of testing or 1 week, he would do it himself.

I already said it's different situation. Zaify thought he made a change, but he didn't. he couldn't nerf it for people with numbers, he only nerfed people who are in disadvantage of numbers

Im going to agree to disagree on this one we need to see how efficent the change is imo its a bit small of a cooldown but it could work time will tell if not there will just be another forum post also more players = win has always been ccnet equation to a point ijust if they pull 40 people against 10 skilled ofc we are gonna struggle

why dont people just learn to use axes to counter shields

Some people just have lag issues, you know. But let's find out what happens in the experiment.

U can counter shield with literaly spamming axe and it will get disabled I dont see why is it neccesery to make shields way less used when it will only make it easyer for people from pvp servers where shields arent used to come and it will be war who will recruit more pvpers expect like before expiriance in CCNET actualy matterd.

axe will not help u win 10v4 lol. even if u disable all of their shields, axe isnt shutting down shield long enough.

and to sop's point, i would rather fight 20 recruit pvpers than 10 skeleton army type players with shields

do you see how the people who commented just get good are 20ms

the only experience you need on ccnet is to watch out for the silly movecraft that can 1 tap you or put in holes that you can’t get out of and get jumped by 10 people. shields exist on other servers not only pvp servers aswell and guess what people hate them they lessen the skill gap the whole point of a shield is to slow the pace of gameplay and spam it so you can’t hit the other person you cannot use axe on ccnet it’s physically impossible not when your lagging already and on top of ccnets. server lag it makes it insanely obnoxious for players who aren’t european.

Hear me out, instead of making shields entirely useless (purists will rule the world at that point)

You suggest an efficient counter that satisfies the same goal.
> E.g Explosive on an axe would render the shield unusable for an additional portion of time (+ / - high durability damage that bypasses unbreaking)

Such a tool would enable those with high pings to have the opportunity they apparently lack currently

That is only if i hit the shield which is the point im making if you read my long comments
Thats a silly thing to say "purist" because shields just help bad players compete with people who are actually good and that shouldnt happen especially when they are doing actual pvp because at that point they are winning because of where they live and where the server is hosted

There is many ways to solve it like make a rune that you can put on your sword that acts like an axe
But zaify already implemented a decent way although its a very short timer it def helps

For reference rick i want you to watch someone pvp one is shield with low ping one is high ping you will see the gap im speaking about (good players not bad) Shields only help good players who know how to use a shield the idea of a shield helping a bad player doesnt exist because they will die anyways no matter what

Ijust and Olpx your entire point is that u cant kill people in 10v2 also saying that shields is giving 'bad' people chance to fight people who actualy nolife PVP servers, also if u dont want to fight shield u have OTHER servers that have 'REAL' PvP so why to come here and complain? If u have problem with not being able to kill people in 10v2 dont go in 10v2.

I agree with the top opp

Or ijust and olpx instead of going into 10v1s try using some ccnet tactics like movecraft

The statement "help bad players compete with people who are actually good" is a reason to keep shields useable.

What is the point in buffing those who already hold a significant advantage in encounters.
(no, jumping into the gank to engage in a 1v5 does not count as a balanced encounter)

you guys keep talking about 10v1s but it’s literally even 1v1s shields or fair fightsrick if you seriously think that someone bad should be on the same playing field as someone good you need a reality check as i have stated on multiple forum posts similar to this Shields only help players like Xtinct or blue magician players who are already good for the ccnet standard it helps them too much because they are EU fighting against players from other regions it’s not fair to say to keep shields how they are because they mainly assist low ping players i don’t know if you guys can tell but IJust is probably the only good ccnet player who is good with and without Ijust is low ping he is EU and he can beat anyone on Ccnet with a shield because of just how plainly broken shields are Ijust is an already good player keeping shields only buffs EU players yet he is still advocating for change people who want to keep shields are EU who have skill issue or already existing good players who are good without and are EU aswell I also hate seeing people who don’t know what they are talking about speak on this matter who either are using it themselves or don’t use it at all or don’t fight against shield players

Groups are brought up so much because the suggestion highlights them as the talking point