Well Said Eatmadi, well said.

Couldn't have put it better myself

I disagree with you saying that guns take skill, at the end of the day you sit on the deepslate box and click at enemies, however I think friendly fire should be removed since it causes problems not only for gun sprayers, for example in a 1x1 hole you could accidentally kill an ally if they dropped in with you, or in team fights on banner you accidentally hit an ally

Also allies can now kill allies anywhere so more noobs get terrorised

Carb, we might not agree on guns, but yes, I do genuinely think the friendly fire will cause a lot more accidents/undeserved deaths/insiding. In fact I think someone from Britain killed their allies in greenland because of the ambiguity.

I disagree with this forum post completely apart from the comments of " I do genuinely think the friendly fire will cause a lot more accidents/undeserved deaths/insiding." this does happen and did happen in Scandinavia rebelious idiots in the alliance would kill eachother after enemys were wiped out and then monkey buisness would happen because of it

On your take that you think takes skill Gun pvp takes 0 skill and is proved by the creation of this forum post it seems like you made this because now you cant blindly spray onto people fighting and only hit the enemy while gun pvp is already as simple as click and shoot you are now complaining about now being able to click and shoot on the right people just dont spam shoot at people watch where you are shooting it makes no sense for ranged netherite swords to exist on ccnet with no repercussion of using it guns are better than swords in every way the amount of times i have been 2 tapped by guns is actually insane and i have clips to prove everything im saying i havent seen a case yet of
people being hit twice by a netherite sword and dying Guns they are ranged and everything now that they are semi balanced you decide to complain about guns which imo are still too op

This is why swords are inferior they do just as much damage as a netherite sword with strength 2 if not more added with supression and is damage stackable you can double tap someone and its impossible to react in time and you are dead but that doesnt happen with swords my second point not everyone can use a sword but everyone can use a gun and dont tell me otherwise man



Clips https://streamable.com/za8lld https://streamable.com/5zj5ov

Oplx, you got to be smart enough to realize that those deaths are all on you. You refused to pot at half health when there's like people spamming guns at you.

Imo friendly fire should only be limited to sieges, It's not really a good thing outside of sieges and has caused a fair bit of disputes

I think friendly fire should stay because it promotes not only better coordination it also involves more skill in using a gun, previously you can just shoot trough an allied player to shoot the enemy player behind them and there would be zero consequences.

>You could also counter by saying that machine guns and pistols do not take skill because you can spam them over your teamates with no problem, but it should be noted that gunshots that hit your teamates prior to the introduction of friendly fire did no damage to enemies
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they did do damage to the enemy where did you get this information???

>The complaint that gunspamming takes no "skill" simply indicates a complete inability to adapt to new situations and strategies
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I do everything on the server including sword pvp and i can say from experience gunspamming is literally F3+B to see hitbox and use zoom mod to aim, im sorry but gunspamming is literally the basic of every popular FPS game its aim, shoot, reload players SHOULD be punished when their aim is inadequate or trash which just like sword pvp comes with pros and cons
Guns have been unbalanced for ages due to the fact that even if you missed aim it doesnt punishes you

>Any fight where one side outnumbers the other is lopsided.
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Gun pvp is meant for ranged and not to shoot at a clump of 10 players mixed with allies and enemies, this forces people to use sword to an extent which results in more diverse gameplay you can blame this on bad coordination

follow-up post
>Crystal pvp requires the ability to think fast, to click quickly and the recognition of when to use totems. Gunspamming, no matter how opposed you are to it, also takes skill.
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did you just try to compare crystal pvp which is close combat to gun pvp which is ranged a method of combat that doesn't even exist in ccnet a method of pvp which requires a high skill gap to the method of pvp with the lowest requirements? Gun pvp works with the average human reaction time and its nowhere near comparable to crystal pvp gun users should be punished for miscoordination or misfires

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friendly fire makes pvp more coordination based with it you can't just go solo like Ronaldo, Messi or Mbappe on a football field in sieges or pvp regions anymore, lack of communication from teammates is going to guarantee you death and you also can't just push like a stampede of human with pew pew sticks either which in turn promotes a more diverse and strategic gameplay

"I do genuinely think the friendly fire will cause a lot more accidents/undeserved deaths/insiding."
So, we're going to pre-emptively remove a new feature due to shortcomings that can be improved with better suggestions? if you do think this is going to be the result of friendly fire's addition into nations you could've suggested an improvement to prevent such things

Mmmmm its a bit wild how Im able to use a gun and hit opponents only by just being a little more cautious yet 3/4 of the suggestion is guns related. Thats all I need to state

I think comparing gun pvp to crystal pvp is not a good idea, crystal pvp requires a lot more skill than just sitting on a high platform and right clicking at the future position of the target, yes it does require a bit of understanding of when to shoot, how to aim, but if you have the necessary skills of aiming, etc, why do you need friendly fire to be removed? In my opinion gun combat has been made more realistic and balanced, where you have to think when and where to shoot

"you sit on the deepslate box and click at enemies"

Deepslate box is far away from enemies meaning target is smaller. People move 8+ blocks a second. Bullet takes time to fly and there is bullet drop. Using snipers in long range takes really good prediction and accuracy to land hits. It pushes that even further beyond when theres bunch of people and you cant see nametags past some points so good luck having fast reaction to shoot only at enemies. Closer ranged rifles tend to have easier time landing hits as well as higher average dps



"blindly spray onto people fighting"

Have you used guns? Did you spray blindly onto people fighting? Do you know how many hits land on average that way? I have seen far too many people complain about the pure idea of spray and pray rather than how effective it is. Not to mention that when you hit someone they are under damage immunity and cant take damage from guns which is the main reason why spray and pray doesnt land hits most of the times in group fights. I have gun hit sounds on so i know just how much it misses most of the times when shooting into a group. Oh yeah and people take knockback weirdly so if you aim at someone they gonna get pushed out of your crosshair quite a lot depending on where you are standing



"Clips https://streamable.com/za8lld https://streamable.com/5zj5ov"

Nice clip, shows the extreme values of gun users. 2 people shooting guns at you and one with sword. Close range rifle with good headshot damage along with a machinegun suppression that increases damage. The reason you died there was not cause guns are op and whatnot its cause you started to eat in the middle of getting gunned by multiple people. Headshotted once as you started eating and you continued to eat so you got headshotted once more. You werent full hp so only 2 shots were needed along with slight damage from machinegun. It takes 1.61 seconds to eat most foods while gun cooldown time is around 1.25 seconds. Im sure that is enough to tell you what happens if you stand still to eat food in middle of the fight. As a side note on a close range without enemies obstructing you can see I landed around 6 hits over 15 seconds and most of those were when he was standing still



"it promotes not only better coordination" - Dont sugarcoat it, no one is using any coordination in teamfights regardless of friendly fire. Its all chaotic and the most coordination happening in vcs are "rush the gunspammers guys". Its been 4 years of ccnet nations and people still didnt push teamfights to the point they can be taken. Ever since day 1 I have complained that people arent skilled or want to spend time learning teamfights and that stays till this day

"it also involves more skill in using a gun" - It makes using guns harder yes, however I have not seen a single person provide valid information on how big of an impact on a fight a single gun user has compared to a sword user or anything similar. As said many times people only complain about the fact that its simpler to start using. Everyone complains about the fact that damage is concentrated onto few amounts of people on the frontline and the overall damage of the group rather than that of an individual

"would be zero consequences" - they are mostly uncontested and that is why it feels that way, there are ways to change that already in the game its just that people dont bother or dont know how to yet. PvP regions were just added so it takes time for people to adapt and change and find new ways. Not to mention again that even if they have zero consequences i dont see anyone mentioning their impact on an individual level

"gunspamming is literally F3+B to see hitbox and use zoom mod to aim" - and how much did you contribute to the teamfight compared to the rest? That information is non existent

"and not to shoot at a clump of 10 players mixed with allies and enemies" - This was already true even with friendly fire off, you could have seen it yourself by having sounds on and shooting at a crowd. People have damage immunity after being hit by a sword and cant take damage from gun. If they are hit by a gun they cant take hit from a sword and therefore not take knockback. People hit by a sword also take knockback as well as high speed and jumping around. All these together make it quite hard to aim, predict and even land hits and even if they land its 50/50 if they have damage immunity. Before bullets could hit through allies I was landing 2/10 shots with lee on close range and after you could shoot through allies it was like 50/50

"did you just try to compare crystal pvp which is close combat to gun pvp which is ranged a method of combat" - the comparison is made not cause the combat styles are similar but rather the contrary to show that each combat style is different in terms of how fast paced it is along with what needs to be done in each one and that alone would not mean its less skill based. The slower the combat is the more you have to use other means to be better such as position and who you shoot at to become better. Given its a teamfight I'm sure that people who strive for such great coordination understand that order and timing of dealing damage is important, which is showcased in any game that has combat roles in them.

"friendly fire makes pvp more coordination based" - again I will say that coordination is a pure joke, i havent seen either side use any coordination at all. The highest the coordination goes is when you go into a fight and where you go to. Players are still far off from any real forms of coordination and friendly fire being on wont make them reach it faster, it will make them reach it much slower



"Mmmmm its a bit wild how Im able to use a gun and hit opponents only by just being a little more cautious"

How many hits total? What is the contribution of that towards the teamfight? If it refers to scandinavia that was hardly a fight. Sure you can "land" hits but the contribution compared to the rest of the players is a joke, legit just a moral support. Unless you land 30-50 or more shots from a gun in a single teamfight you are hardly participating in it at all damage wise. Sword users will fill their 50 hit quota many times faster and go even beyond that. The 30-50 shots refers to the amount needed to get someone fully dry of healing potions and "kill" them. Not to mention if those hits aint consistent they can heal from food. Any less hits and you can legit be called less than 1 participant due to your low damage

i won't change my mind even if you wrote an entire holy book worth of text what I've said is self-explanatory you shouldn't be able to just blind fire with no consequences into a clump of enemies and allies, and guns aren't like bows where you have to aim for trajectory, its mostly horizontal with a bit of bullet drop, its easier to gunspam than to use bows

once again,

>"I do genuinely think the friendly fire will cause a lot more accidents/undeserved deaths/insiding."
So, we're going to pre-emptively remove a new feature due to shortcomings that can be improved with better suggestions? if you do think this is going to be the result of friendly fire's addition into nations you could've suggested an improvement to prevent such things

`-comparing guns to cpvp
-comparing pot to cpvp
-brings up definition of pvp for no reason
-"guns take skill" the main argument here is that you need to turn friendly fire off because your aim is so bad i guess that you keep hitting your team when it’s insanely easy to just not shoot or only shoot when your positive you hit the enemy?
-"outnumbering is bad now" well maybe you did'nt organize properly ofc i could have 15people who don’t know what to do but if i had. 10 who did know what to do we would win. outnumbering is going to go bad with friendly fire and no plan which is why your struggling
-realism, you guys frequently argue for realism in suggestions but when we do it, its suddenly a "its just a game bro"

six irrelevant reasons to hide the fact that this suggestion is to just allow people to blindly fire guns to get kills

side note if you guys feel so passionate about this please let me make a forum post introducing sword headshots and sword suppression but you will cry and say “he’s a purist” or some other nonsense

Let's take a look back at "blind firing" at people, shall we?

Firing bullets from an MG gun into a group of people does not do substantial damage. Sure, you may lose three hearts tops but amid sword PvP you would be potting 24/7 anyways. The whole purpose of the MG class is to provide support for riflemen via inflicting the suppression effect. The role of the MG gunner is to provide an opportunity for someone using a rifle to deal more damage. The statement that MG users would be able to "just blind fire with no consequences" should this change come to fruition is objectively wrong. Sure I do agree that MG's are inherently a "Spray" class of weapon but it's just because of that reason that Madi's suggestion came to be.

*We want to use "Spray" guns with hard-to-control recoil at the people we're fighting, not the people we're fighting to protect.*

Now someone might argue, "Oh doesn't that take out all of the consequences of it?"
Are the ungodly move speed and recoil times, not enough consequence? It leaves the gunner wide open for sword attack so I don't see why we should further hinder the gameplay style that CCNet differentiates itself from other servers with.

On that note, I would like to reaffirm that guns are integral to the CCNet formula. They not only set apart CCNet from similar servers but they provide an alternate PvP style for players with a different skill set.

ps. don't defenestrate me for this lmao it's just my two cents on the argument.

We should probally buff guns in accordance

we love friendly fire

Illyt in response, I believe that we either buff gun damage, or disable friendly fire and nerf the effects guns give (aka shellshock, screenshake-which can be extremely disorienting and unfair-and or headshot damage). Considering how badly melee pvp in team fights is also impacted by friendly fire I don't think the first one is an option tbh, because melee now is pretty heavily restricted.

"you shouldn't be able to just blind fire with no consequences into a clump of enemies and allies"

Yall still didnt explain how doing so is so strong. Yall just complaining about a method rather than showcasing to everyone how much it actually does in gameplay

"the main argument here is that you need to turn friendly fire off because your aim is so bad i guess that you keep hitting your team when it’s insanely easy to just not shoot or only shoot when your positive you hit the enemy?"

Ok olpx, lets say that you do exactly that. Stay behind, slow down your shooting only hit enemies. Enlighten us then how many shots you will land per minute on average and how much damage is that in best case scenario which is proven in combat. Then tell us exactly how much practice is involved into being that much accurate and then finally compare it to sword pvp so we can see which one is better and if both are viable options in combat

"blindly fire guns to get kills"

For the 10th time, yall just cope about blind fire but can yall actually provide facts behind it? whats the accuracy of blind fire? whats the damage rate of blind fire? how much damage is that compared to average melee fighter? None of that information is provided yet it seems that everyone magically knows that its too strong. That just proves how yall dont know anything about the game and just cope about stuff ya dont feel like is good without any facts

"We should probally buff guns in accordance"

Yes buff guns so they do more damage to allies its such a smart idea



Overall if you cant even provide facts on how much damage guns do in blind fire on a crowd please stop commenting here before checking that out first. After yall bring some numbers in then people will start to take you seriously. Right now all I see is baby rage about stuff yall arent even well informed in

yes buff guns

Going to briefly respond to Olpx, Dom, and Ijust because I just saw this-had no idea this suggestion would actually recieve this much comments.

Olpx:

"brings up definition of pvp for no reason"
There are, and have always been multiple arguments (more recently from the alliance side) that "gun pvp" is not "real pvp", and I felt like that was something I should respond to. Should you wish for screenshots I will more than happily provide them.

"your aim is so bad i guess that you keep hitting your team" Let's not make generalizations or assumptions or insults, for that matter. I am simply making this suggestion because I believe this change is unjustified and horrible for the balance of the game. "You are bad" is not an argument.

""outnumbering is bad now" well maybe you did'nt organize properly ofc i could have 15people who don’t know what to do but if i had. 10 who did know what to do we would win. outnumbering is going to go bad with friendly fire and no plan which is why your struggling" Olpx, I can see that you clearly made this post in a state of rage from all the misspellings and run-ons. I ask you to again please retain an open mind. I do not believe I need to remind you of the countless times alliance has complained about outnumbering at pvp regions. (An example can be found on this very suggestions forum "Make pvp regions 10v10").

"please let me make a forum post introducing sword headshots and sword suppression but you will cry and say “he’s a purist” or some other nonsense" Again, more generalization (Is my name luciusdrakov?) Please refrain from being childish. This is neither an argument for or against guns.

Stop building strawman arguments of "you guys are bad", and actually respond to the points being made, because I genuinely am not against nerfing guns, I just don't think friendlyfire is a good way to achieve this.

Doml:
"i won't change my mind even if you wrote an entire holy book worth of text what I've said is self-explanatory you shouldn't be able to just blind fire with no consequences into a clump of enemies and allies"
Again, I've outlined several consequences of blindfiring pre-friendlyfire, and I would like to know why you do not think those are valid. I would also like to ask that you please actually read others' posts and keep an open mind instead of closing yourself off and polarizing your opinion based on sides. I am sure that if carb can be open, frank, and considerate, that you can do this too.

"So, we're going to pre-emptively remove a new feature due to shortcomings that can be improved with better suggestions"
No, of course not. You have gripped on to one simple statement I have made without considering the background in which I made said statement. (Again, more strawman argumentation). This is, infact, an idea presented by carb--melee pvp in holes and closed spaces becomes a challenge in teamfights. As he is someone who is recognized to be good at pvp on the server, I think he has more authority than anyone here to talk about how friendly fire impacts vanilla pvp. If you have a genuine suggestion relating to this, I would love to hear it. However, I think the only real way to solve the plethora of current problems is the removal of frieindly fire; balance changes to guns and vanilla pvp can be tweaked after the fact.

Ijust:

You are the one person here that I cannot give the benefit of the doubt to. While I understand that I, too, am immature sometimes (or rather most of the time), your comment reflects an inability to properly converse with someone of differing opinions.

I know that you are strongly supportive of friendly fire, but so far I have not heard any actual reasons in its favour, and I would really appreciate it if you made some, considering your vanilla pvp expertise.

Oops my bad, not lucius drakov but rick*

Now that america siege was fought with guns and friendly fire I think its easy enough for people to compare statistics now of how good guns are. All yall have to do is provide on average how many times a melee pvper repotted and how much damage worth of inventory of potions yall did aka how many potions did you force enemies to use by your damage alone in terms of inventories or potion amounts. Then compare that to the amount of shots a gun user landed with these settings and then judge if its good or bad

>>an idea presented by carb--melee pvp in holes and closed spaces becomes a challenge in teamfights. As he is someone who is recognized to be good at pvp on the server, I think he has more authority than anyone here to talk about how friendly fire impacts vanilla pvp.

friendly fire makes gank fights are fairer than ever, you no longer get guaranteed kills even if you outnumber, you can't icy into a gank with ally and enemy at once you'll hit both and if you do it will either result in the death of an ally or the enemy.

>>Have you used guns? Did you spray blindly onto people fighting?

you simply do not just start spraying when it comes to using sniper, rifles, carbines and sidearms but I have seen people relentlessly spraying machine guns (as previously mentioned, Callisto's most recent siege) when they are on banner to throw of the enemies, and yes blindly shoot the ammo for them are ludicrously cheap and previously it really doesn't matter if a few bullets land on allies. I understand that rifles cannot just be sprayed, but you don't take any risk when you're unsure about a shot, but you do consider the risk now that friendly fire is added.

>>Oh yeah and people take knockback weirdly so if you aim at someone they gonna get pushed out of your crosshair quite a lot depending on where you are standing

Moving your crosshair and aiming it to the enemy is a necessary taskto keep dealing damage with it, all you have do to is move your mouse along and its a relatively easy task unless you are being critted out by a sword user

>>Nice clip, shows the extreme values of gun users. 2 people shooting guns at you and blah blah blah

Olpx lost 5 hearts(10hp) at once, 2.5x the amount of damage done by netherite sword crit, and in the clip itself you can see how many of those are just spraying rifles 'constantly' and the gun user was on a deepslate box where it would be hard to counter shots in this scenario you have to either find cover or run for your life until you get out of their render distance, speaking of deepslate boxes

>>Deepslate box is far away from enemies meaning target is smaller. People move 8+ blocks a second.

I don't know where you got this from but a player with swift 2 potio effect only moves a maximum of 7.9m/s and 8m/s forward diagonally and as for smaller target size the majority of gunspammers use zoom mods such as zoomify and this isn't really a problem speaking of zoom mods,

>>Bullet takes time to fly and there is bullet drop. Using snipers in long range takes really good prediction and accuracy to land hits."

No It really doesn't, I also spray guns and all I have to do is move my crosshair to the direction they are going to and then right click where they are about to be, it barely takes and aiming skills especially if you have zoomify or other zoom mods which almost every player does. It is essentially the same as movecraft, you have to aim your cannons to hit the enemy and do movecrafters complains about the other craft being too far to aim?

>>however, I have not seen a single person provide valid information on how big of an impact on a fight a single gun user has compared to a sword user or anything similar.

I don't really get what would the valid information could be, but me and others main point is that guns cannot just be sprayed relentlessly, and it has been that way for ages, the addition of friendly fire changes the complacent vanilla pvp mechanic and makes gunspammers decide if it's good to shoot or not, if they aren't good at aiming then they would probably refrain from doing so but if they are great they will take riskier shots! Previously gunspamming was just "shoot your gun if it says, "friendly fire is off", change your target" now you actually have to check if they're an ally or an enemy, /res toggle siegeteamcolors helps in this as people can determine from a distance if it's an ally or an enemy.

All I see you saying is "you shouldnt be able to blindly fire" and not saying "ok, blind fire is simple you dont need to aim at anything and here we can see how much damage it does. I dont think that they should do that much damage compared to swords". That is valid information. Balancing is done based on stats not feelings.

Also olpx took 4 hearts of damage from my shot if you pause it at the correct moment, 2+1 hearts for headshot and then on top of that suppression effect. That is 2x the sword damage indeed however its also a bit more than 2x slower and we dont even take accuracy into account. Not sure what you mean by consistency and deepslate box, we were 10 blocks away from him and most of the shots that landed were when he was standing still. You can clearly see shots missing when he was running

Im seeing lots of these "its easy to hit people with guns" but no one has any proof of anyone having near 100% accuracy and near 100% of the rifles rate of fire. Go to a fight once and try to use a gun and see how much damage you do. Compare it to anyone else who was using a sword for the same amount of time and see the difference. No one here seems to want to share the information of how much damage sword user did over the span of america region assault so that I can share my own stats. Matter of fact my statistics suggestion should get added so we can see exact numbers before people complain that its strong without anything to back it up other than "feeling like they are doing more damage while being safe". Theres no numbers in that. That doesnt tell anything.

People who dont use guns are trying to change how guns are played rather than changing how they are impacted by guns. Just because you cant deal with it doesnt mean it should be changed. You do not need more people to deal with enemy gun users and it has been proven many times in practice. I will not list it here but staff can ask me in private about how and when it happened

I was talking about the 2nd clip not the one where you killed him you are wrong on that one.

And again zoom mods already make guns considerably easy to use, just because i said it's easy it doesn't mean 100% accuracy. Moreover is it so hard to move your crosshair to a player with a red name and hold your trigger when its green?

"People who dont use guns" ok so apparently I've never touched a gun in ccnet according to you so thats neat never held a clip or a magazine ever

Guns have been a nice addition to the server in my opinion. Buffing them has made them considerably more fun to use than ever. However I will say that friendly fire in fort sieges is quite unbalanced for two reasons; there are shooters like Valorant etc with friendly fire disabled, and even then we should make it easier to re-enter battle, not travel 30+ min to get to siege again, I would rather have a 30min cooldown before I can respawn nearby.

I hate how people think friendly fire is specifically a nerf to guns. If i really wanna just sit on top of fort and gunspam im still gonna do it but now im just gonna tell people to not go melee cause they are actually getting in the way. I do agree that friendly fire should be removed and most of the points Madi made are right but i generally dislike the idea of this being a direct nerf to guns, for me it looks more like "are you gonna use swords, or are you gonna use guns, decide that between yourselves and pick one." Cause if we gonna gunspam, we might aswell just not have anyone go and die in line of fire, which makes people who do not wanna gunspam "nerfed" when in crowd of gunspammers and vice versa.

"Moreover is it so hard to move your crosshair to a player with a red name and hold your trigger when its green"

Stop avoiding my questions thank you very much. Saying "its not hard" is too vague. Sure you **can** land hits on enemies but that doesn't tell you anything balance wise. I specifically asked you to tell us how much damage a melee user is doing and then compare it to how much damage gun users are doing to see if guns are viable in combat or just moral support. I will say it again that you all are too focused on the fact that its "too simple to start using" rather than "how much is it actually contributing". Its an overall joke argument given by people who want their time spent sweating on a practicepvp to be the only thing needed so they can just shut off their brain and go bananas in a fight to win

"I hate how people think friendly fire is specifically a nerf to guns"

There is far more enemies in your field of view from the backline than from the frontline. The only way you gonna friendly fire people in melee is if either one of you go in front of each other while for guns its just by moving your mouse slightly to the side or them moving unpredictably

"I'm just gonna tell people to not go melee"

So you are going to tell the only people doing damage to not do damage so that you can shoot a gun which will be healed by food? Matter of fact lets say sure they don't engage so you can shoot your gun, enemy will engage you regardless. The time it would take for that to happen wouldn't allow you to do any real damage to enemies and if the opponents really wanted to they can just counter with their own guns as well. Overall that doesn't do too much to justify time lost

"we might as well just not have anyone go and die in line of fire"

That doesn't work, you will get run over. You need a front line or everything falls over. To use a gun you need a safe position and front line is the one that makes it happen

The guns need to be nerfed statement is just disapproved by the number of kills caused by guns. In the coalitiin to my knowledge there are maybe 2-3 good gunspammers(rubka, lucius and andrew) rest of thěm are noobs(me). With friendly fire being adděd there is practiacally zero use to a gun sincě it has běen a sort of a mechanism to introduce players to sieges, therefore friendly fire makes sieges less user friendly for people who just dont sweat on pvp servers. Most pvpers survive gunspammers and when encountered on their "deepslate boxes" the gunspammers die. Gunspammers are mainly a defending force and wont cause much "turbulence" to pvp so just remove friendly fire?

Nitro its not about the kills. Guns play style is consistent damage over time kind of like poison ya know.

Sword users deal a lot of damage in a short period of time but at the same time also lose health. Its an aggressive play style which is why its needed for pushing positions

Gun users are usually on a safe position and do lower damage (high damage per hit, low rate of fire compared to sword crits, and add inaccuracy to that as well, on top of that if you dont land them in a row they can heal from food) however due to not needing to spend healing potions most of the times they can stay fighting over a longer period of time without resupplying

There are ways to counter each and every play style in a teamfight its just that people dont want to learn synergies of roles and even fill other roles