vague suggestion + nuh uhh

yuh uh

yeah for a weapon that takes 0 skill to use they are dealing way too much damage and giving actual pvpers no chance to get kills like is this even a pvp server at this point

exactly
0 skill and too much dmg

Why do you think these are OP?
They are meant to compete with vanilla pvp cause then everybody can attend sieges and actually do something, if you nerf them to do 0 damage then a lot less people can actually participate sieges with any use of their presence.
If you're getting gunspammed you can just pot or take cover if you're really afraid of gunspammers

Trying to kill a pot pvp with a gun one on one is a pain in the ass a full mag from any of the close range guns not enough to kill and the rifles can't be fired fast enough to compete with pots.

Either way sword dps is still higher the only thing guns have going for them is when you have multiple people.

thing is if there is 3 pvprs and 16 gunspammers shooting at you there is no way of winning any siege

plant11 what about when there is 20 people gun spamming vs 4 people at a siege? how are us pvpers meant to compete when all they do is run away and gun spam as soon as they start getting hit?

You can't do anything either when there are 16 sword players vs 4

I agree with plant, even if you're bad at pvp you should be able to take down a person who is using a gun (unless they're using the anniv shotgun) with a sword and some pots
It's really hard to kill a pvper with a gun unless there's multiple gunspammers getting headshots consistently since even 2 mags of bar ammo can be healed with less than 1 health pot

meow thats legit what i said there are multiple of them

If your out numbered your gonna be at a disadvantage no what what your enemy is using.

Also you should try horse back makes it alot easy to get the gun spammers and makes it alot harder for them to hit you.

no they can just shoot the horse and kill it eazily

There is no absolute way you guys think guns are stable when your put up against 20 gun spammers and your trying to fight them at for example a siege, you can’t do anything. I suggest at least nerf the guns or something like it’s actually insane

But seriously if the damage gets any lower you won't be able to carry enough ammo 2 mags of bar for 1 pot means for some one with 27 pots you need 54 mags.

If you are outnumbered, you will have no chance, no matter what the enemy uses as a weapon.

Also, if u think guns are op, why not use them?
Guns are ass. Unles you get headshots constantly, they are shit.

And dont cry because your losing a 2v1 siege. (URK + Rome vs Siberium + Scource)

green those shots were all headshots thats why i was doing 5

What would probly be better than nerfing the damage though would be to buff the damage a bit but make it so that they no longer ignore Invincibility frames. That way in a 1v1 you still have some chance with a gun but you can't get shot by 20 people at once.

There isn’t only BAR guns Tho right plant? Like the mosin takes so much more dmg per shot imagine everyone spamming you with mosisins it wouldn’t work to just simply pot you wouldn’t have the time to

"meow thats legit what i said there are multiple of them"

Isn't it logical that 1 pvper will get beaten by multiple gunspammers?
It seems quite easy to understand that if you're outnumbered the weapons they're using aren't the problem, if you are struggling due to being outnumbered I would suggest using cannons with canister shells or ifvs

I would like to add that 1 pvper when getting outnumbered would also struggle, but that wouldn't make you want to nerf swords now would it?

These comments are so funny to read. Its basically just the losing side of a siege coping.

How is this the losing side of a siege coping? I’m not in the siege your talking about and I still think the guns are extremely op and should be nerfed, it doesnt directly create a fun experience getting spammed with guns.

Csipok_, while you could interpret as that they could have a genuine concern about the balance of guns in the server

"it doesnt directly create a fun experience getting spammed with guns"
For non pvpers it would also not be fun to not be able to participate in sieges due to not being pvpers, everybody should have a way to take part in sieges since it is a big part of nations, it's not fun getting quickdropped by pvpers for gunspammers either, there are many ways to avoid getting hit by guns and they aren't very complex

Meow from what im reading i see that you have not been to so many sieges where there are plenty of gunspammers and quite few pvprs

also csipok learn how to pot

"Meow from what im reading i see that you have not been to so many sieges where there are plenty of gunspammers and quite few pvprs"
I have, but what does that change in my points? Just cause there isn't a perfect balance doesn't mean you can't use ifvs or canister shots with cannons, they are meant for crowd control and they work as they should, please enlighten me on what you meant with that.

"also csipok learn how to pot" Off topic, but this is what you should be doing to not need to complain about gunspamming, if you're getting shot you can simply use health pots to easily get the health back and search for cover or go back in your bunker

so what you mean is i dont pvp just shoot with ifv or hide in bunker so they win siege?

If they're on the field and not in the siege base/fort then you should just gank them or use horses to kill them, also things like banner forts exist so that they can't shoot you

Yes guys! Listen to meowsalod let’s gank the people on top of a siege base or fort! Will totally work

Stop putting words in my mouth, maybe if you would bother reading the FIRST sentence of my comment you wouldn't be making such idiotic statements

Ijust call 2.0?! (Imidietly makes a suggestion after he dies)

:cold_face:

GR33NSMILE: "learn how to pot"
Just so yk, i have shitty laptop, and i play with 30fps

Also, gunspammers still have awful experience in aieges. If 4 pvpers get into a gunspammer group of 10 people on the battlefield, they can easily kill like 5 before they actually die too.
Also, gunspammers are easy to separate, and 1v1ed

Cannons with canister, ifvs are still good against crowds
I only seen 1 ifv and 1 during 4 urk sieges so dont complain.

And still. If you think 10 gunspammers are so op, GET GUNSPAMMERS YOURSELF. Its not hard. 10 random voyagers from the nation

No, you should not be able to call up your pvp clan and win every siege, don't know how many times this needs to be said.

Brother it's a ww pvp server how tf you arguing for guns on a WORLD WAR server so be unusable. Sword pvp is not the main combat system it was supposed to be guns

500th gun cope suggestion incomming :(

No, you should not be able to call up your pvp clan and win every siege, don't know how many times this needs to be said. PREACH GING

I’d rather not fight with a nerf gun during. A siege