What is your claim that the gold standard does not work based on? So far the economy is balanced, not giga inflated like N1, and there is one solid medium of exchange instead of 100s (hence "standard") which renders trade more price-specific - there is a reason that real life economies use one fiat currency (in the forms of euro, us dollar, etc., but all have an exchange rate with all at any point) for all worldwide trade.

Although, yes, I would like to see outposts re-added too, since they seem fun. There have been a few discussions on how they could work. However, there are many factors to consider and they all need a significant amount of time to be thought-out and for the feature to be implemented of course, so currently this is out of the Nations picture.

The comparison between Jobs and mining for gold is very unfounded. Gold does not spawn out of thin air. You will need to move your butt, mine, then smelt it. With Jobs you are awarded for doing things that are irrelevant to gold mining, or any gold mining at all (breaking cobble, wood, farming crops, etc). These activities are ones you would do simply because you play the game anyway, so there is zero incentive involved apart from spawning money -- as opposed to mining and using a semi-limited, dynamic resource that is also a **standard** (gold), which is the system we have now. The Jobs plugin simply does not work in a balanced economy, it is flawed. Is it fun to be rewarded for doing everything that vanilla has to offer in a specific activity (mine all things that can be mined: get money; chop all things that can be chopped: get money; farm all things that can be farmed: get money... etc.)? Maybe. Is it a good way to create a dynamic, balanced economy? Not really. In a geopol simulation, the incentive lies within trade and how effective trade is, not the currency and method of money-making involved. Minecraft is a sandbox game by design, which could theoretically mean that infinite time equals infinite money: this, is linear. It is not dynamic. Gold is dynamic and renders trade slightly more sensical, in the exact same manner that real-life fiat currency is dynamic and makes trade sensical. Finally, Jobs will not be considered again by any of our devs. For these reasons, advocating for Jobs to return will not get you anywhere.

I am also heavily against Jobs, personally they also become extremely boring after a very short amount of time since you are forced to only play a specific part of the game for hours on end. Please do note that I am not saying that the gold standard is the *only* valid method of creating a stable economy in Minecraft. With all that being said, however, I think you should be able to see why it is miles better than trashy Jobs.

As for the Taverns idea, I am not sure what to think of it or how useful it would even be.

To say the jobs system is better system than the gold standard is laughable.

No, the mining job is not the same as mining for gold. The mining job guarantees money for simply mining, the current system does not

I am pretty sure you simply dont understand what i meant, like, the average money earned per block broken when mining is calculatable, i and i did calculate it, and explained everything in detail in economy discussion chat, gold standard simply is same as mining, because, you basically get money per blocks broken (each block revealed has chance to be a gold ore, and each gold ore rewards a certain amount of money, which means, statistically there IS a value you earn on average per block broken) so, simply instead of it being a chance, that over long time averages into a flat amount, it COULD be just made into a job from a plugin, i see no solid argument against that, like, all i said about it is true, and in fact, it is so undispuable that it has been mathematically prooven, each block broken when mining, assuming 1 gold ore equals 9$ is equivalent to 0.038799$ on mining level 1, scaling up to double on maxed double drops, so this is a undisputable methamatically proven fact, gold standard is equivalent of mining job from plugin which earns you 0.038799$ on AVERAGE per block broken, thats simply it, we basically have jobs plugin but only job is mining, like, i see no solid argument against that, only "its laugable" and "jobs will not be considered again by our devs", like, okay, im not forcing anyone to do what i tell them to, but saying my arguments are "laugable" without counter argument is just toxic.

And about what Taakot said, yes i know incentive should be put on trading, but, having a system that passively just gives you money in enviroment when communities are small and very far apart simply makes trading too incovenient, the sheer amount of time consumed to actually transport recourses to trade them, could be better put into just mining, if this server ever intends to have fully functioning economy, then YES incentive should be put on trade, but i see no effort to do that aside from realistic plant growth plugin and townyrecourses, which is rendered useless by the fact that there is no real use to crops and townyrecourses are so insignificant that they are only good as a small "supplement" to each town, that is why i suggested that Tavern thing, because, that way you are putting use to crops which in turn makes realistic plant growth plugin actually function, combined with the fact that brews are unstackable, therefore disabled teleportation can not be worked around, you are forced to use movecraft and cant just put everything into ender chest and deathwarp, Server already has all necessary things that can put incentive on trade, but they are simply easily worked around, instead of reading one thing i said and not agreeing on it and then being quick to mock me for it (Scorpius) maybe you should think about what i said first and if you still disagree, point out a reason.

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@Nuxyr, your argument about towns being too far apart to trade is so irrelevant. There are multiple ways to trade, maybe check them out and use them. But not at any place on the map + at any point in time. There has to be some effort. Otherwise let's just add an admin shop that sells every single item to everyone everywhere and call it a day. Travel or not, it is part of gameplay. Whether your lazy hands can't do that is unfortunate but not a cause for concern.

I will note that Zaify has expressed his opinion on the state of trade multiple times (including travel times), and I am sure he wants to improve it constantly with time, but "making distances smaller or obsolete" simply cannot be an option because effortless trading does nothing tangible for the economy, in the similar manner that TP-ing to someone from 10000 blocks away and giving them items that you are trading *would* do nothing tangible for the economy, or ender chest + death TP would do nothing tangible for the economy (in the context of Nations, of course); they are all essentially the same thing, they render distances small or obsolete, and additionally they are not engaging nor would people stay in the server in the long run for them.

Yes, trade should not be exhaustingly difficult. I think anyone would agree for that in Nations. Whether it is right now is a different discussion (although I would not agree that it is, especially /ah released a good amount of strain, and playershops + contracts render the listing of items out into the server for trade, quite fast). The point is though, that there is a clear line between ease of trade/access, and removal of distance in the map, and the server has made clear to not become the latter because it is worse and lesser than the former (unless Zaify's vision of Nations changes entirely and fundamentally at some point in the future).


On to your other point, while you are statistically correct about the value of gold (Minecraft generation is about probabilities after all), it does not mean that your evaluation of what mining gold means, is correct too. Gold, as I mentioned before, is semi-limited and randomized. Let's take the woodcutting job for comparison.

Gold:
- Statistical guarantee of money.
- Requires active effort to find and sell.
- Is the medium of currency for all trade, as a standard of the server's economy.

Woodcutting:
- 100% probable guarantee of money.
- Requires no effort to find and sell, since money is given automatically and saplings are hilariously easy to grow.
- All the wood you get has very little use now unless you build with it or are in desperate need of energy, congratulations on the 30 dubs of wood taking up your space, and I doubt most people want to trade for wood.

The same logic can be applied to every other job, except maybe fishing (which would, in a way, be similar to gold).

I fail to see how I have provided no arguments, but if you want to choose this hill to die on – implying others are ignorant, but at the same time refusing to acknowledge the points yourself — it sounds like you want your infinite money for the sake of it. I won't change your mind if this is the case, but I at least hope I've shed some light on why gold is preferred over Jobs to other people that may come across this.

And at the end of the day, everyone simply want variety and I understand that

Lol I accidentally clicked Submit but fortunately my text so far was not a draft. Continued from penultimate paragraph:

Jobs rewards spending all your time on the server in Jobs. You can't tell me that it is more interesting gameplay than smelting and selling gold, and trading gold for items that you are not bound to by your job specifically: because basically no one needs what you produce with Jobs, unless the server allowed you to sell the items you obtain from Jobs to the server, but then it would mean you spawn even more money from the same job, leading to a money-feedback loop considering that you can level up the money you get too.

And at the end of the day, everyone simply wants variety for income and I understand that. I do acknowledge that spawning money only has one method and that this one method is quite dull in the grand scheme of things, as opposed to having multiple dull methods of spawning money — but still *dull* — within Jobs, but advocating for Jobs is wrong, the plugin is bad for Nations' economy (and any economy in fact, have you seen Jobs-based servers where people have absurd amounts of money?) and it is not coming back.