Just to Clarify, my idea behind this was to:
1. Lower the skill cap and requirement for PvP, this will bring a lot of new players into the game,
and even if the skill-cap is lowered, the "Veterans" will not suffer, because now not every single one of their
enemies had hours of practice, or to put it bluntly, even if skill cap is lowered, your practice was not in vein,
now you get to fight large amounts of unskilled randoms :p

2. Cause Territory and conflicts around the territory to be regional and "believable" without having to travel to
central Africa to fight off someone from Europe, just imagine moving movecraft's from the factory to the front lines to defend
against enemies who are trying to overclaim your territory, or simply going around and hunting people who wanna unclaim your chunks, in "Wilderness" that is the idea behind it.


3. Bring a mechanic that makes money useful, regardless of the state of the market, it simply has a fixed "use value", you can always use it to claim more land, or make special plots, right now, even if you have millions, there is just so much money can do, and nobody is willing to sell valuables to obtain it.

No let’s no mess up pvp pls

Nux and I can sincerely say how much I can scarcely believe this myself but I like the sound of all of this.

Most of this sounds good, but a few points feel like bad ways of going about things, being
1. Don't think movecraft should be limited from moving in all enemy territory, especially if open land gives free money. But, I could agree with a special type of empty plot that blocks enemy movecraft travel that either has a low upkeep, affects tax in some way or just does not give money, along with all other general town chunks blocking enemy movecraft
2. How would utility enchantments for mining and gaining the new form of enchantments work out, as combat enchantments were the only ones mentioned and presumably the only ones thought much about?
3. Definitely more of a personal preference thing between different people's playstyles, but why should the brewery potion replacements bring with them the same issues that regular potions have of removing health as much of something to worry about, when the custom healing items can simply be balanced differently
4. I feel that there should maybe be some very minor upgraded versions of armor and gear that can be made with much more expensive gear to at least give a slight bonus to people who stick around for a long time on the server, but with very low benefit compared to the cost of the upgraded gear, as opposed to one set of standard gear that costs very little with flat stats across the board between nations
5. Also, and I'm sure this will probably be the case, but, I'd say that not all cannons should be so incredibly powerful as there would likely be a fair range of differently powerful cannons, though I can fully agree with the high level artillery and majority of ship weaponry doing very high if not insta-kill levels of damage

wouldn't the new plot types also confuse newer players?

i like this idea, not for nations though.
as of now there is a decisive lead of a "kingdoms" server in #polls in the discord.
i think this would fit perfectly on that (if it would ever happen) new server.
overall, great idea!

I think the new system will make the server look different from other servers + make it more confusing for newer players to understand the system and make them leave which would make less newer players stay which makes the server less active.

Gill784, you mentioned it is confusing, well, yeah it is, but, "new players" should not be bothered by how leading a nation works, like, if you had, let's say 10 players in total who fully understand the system, you would have 10 nations that function properly, I do not see why "new players" would need to learn how leading a full-fledged nation works.

Like, the goal for new players is to log in, join some town and then be a part of the economy, and yeah, probably find some way to buy PvP gear and join the battle on the front lines, and keep going there even if they get killed, and possibly claim some land, that seems like instant-gratification to me, you can just decide "I'm gonna go and fight, idk "France" and then in 10 mins be at their border conquering their land, as opposed to current system which expects you to wait for days or weeks before you can join a siege.

TheLastOreo,

1.) you would need to actually claim territory to bring movecraft near enemy town, which means, you can not just "appear" over night next to their town and bomb it, which would happen, like, i can imagine people sitting in a tank being like "im driving straight for their capital and i am going to bomb it to the ground while they sleep"

2) Utility enchantments stay, Unbreaking on tools, fortune, efficiency, silk touch, all of that, i simply did not adress it, that just stays at it is.

3) It is important that people can not die before their armor breaks, because if they can, it simply kills the idea of "no matter how bad new player is, he is going to damage enemy's durability" so yea, potions from Brewery need to ensure people do not die before their armor breaks.

4) Yeah, better , but more expensive tier of gear absolutely is not out of question, it just should not become the
new "standard" because whats the point of cheaper gear then? if everyone aims to have the very best gear, then
"entry requirement" for PvP is having very best gear, which simply counteracts the effort of making deaths less impactful

5) yeah, there should certainly be pros and cons about each type of cannon, like, if everything one-shots you, you could just pick a cannon with the lowest reload-time and use only that, however, i am convinced each type of cannon should be best in their own purpose, like, canister shot vs infantry and normal shells vs movecraft, but adding more types of cannons for "diversity" without each of those cannons being the best in their own "purpose" simply makes no sense, people just gonna find the "best" one and only use that one.

so its a better system for pvp? but a worst system for builders when at any minute thier towns could be invaded and can't build for awhile

responding to nuxyr, if new players get gear faster and get to the lines faster that means they will either win faster so new players basically run the pvp system if this happens

I semi-agree with this, I like most aspects, but because I dislike some aspects, I wouldn’t like to see this go through.

Aspects I dislike:

Making vehicles inoperable in enemy territory, this effectively eliminates any real vehicular combat.

(It seems like you want this) Eliminating peaceful towns, this is a good way for new players to establish themselves without getting absolutely massacred by a large nation or town.

Low Durability and armour effects and other PvP related items, I just don’t think we should be nerfing PvP items to hell in pretty much all their aspects just because they are now easier to obtain and have more protection, the pros just don’t seem to outweigh the cons on this one.

Brewery, just a quick note, I haven’t truly played nations yet so idk how brewing currently functions. I just don’t think god potions are a good idea, your essentially turning people into tanks, defeating the purpose of making tanks in your factories and such (I support the factories idea though).

Cheap gear (slightly dislike), war is meant to be costly to a nation, because we don’t have manpower mechanics in minecraft (as you can just respawn) gear is the next best way apart from money to make wars actually costly.

Respawn points, I don’t support this because you could set a respawn point near the frontline, both sides doing this would just recreate WWI and make all wars a standstill.

Gun Ammo being more rare, I don’t support this because, IRL, ammo is actually really cheap to produce. It is just a bullet, the shell, and gunpowder (a bullet simplified), so I don’t see how making ammo rarer because of some bonus damage to durability (which I also don’t support) makes any sense.

I support anti-gun armour (think Kevlar) but I don’t support it just straight up stopping knockback, that is not how any armour ever works unless your using a forcefield.

Other than these concerns I support pretty much every element, since they add realism and challenge which can decently grow nations. If the post didn’t have these ideas then I would certainly give it a thumbs up.

I like everything BUT the resistance stuff seems kind of too much,dying till dura breaks

Seth019 and LeDuxBerrie, the point of PvP armor being nerfed is not to make up for the fact that it is cheap, it is to make PvP focused on durability loss, without prolonging the time of actual combat, this is important because in that kind of environment, new players have a fighting chance (you might kill one, or two but third one will get you after all the durability loss, as opposed to just one-tapping them and potting and hopping away) Gill, it may be worse than being straight-out unattackable in a peaceful town, but you are kind of forgetting that now destroying the town itself is not even a point, and claims would look like actual countries, so with sufficient territory, it would take hours or even days of unclaming and re-claiming territory to reach your town with movecraft. and about it ending up like WW1, that is exactly the point, the whole idea is that war is fought over land and is tied to location, and you can just join it at any moment and contribute, while it all has progression, also, to make it clear, i meant this as a new game mode, not as a drastic change to existing nations.

wouldn't this take months to create, test and implement into nations delaying any nations reset?

My main issue on the first point I mentioned was more that people would be able to claim huge areas of land and sea to block of channels and all that to prevent movecraft travel, which is why I proposed a claim type that gives no monetary benefits or even has a tax, but doesn't allow enemy movecraft to pass through it, which allows people to well defend borders against movecraft, but at a disadvantage in other aspects rather than just being able to buy up a whole continent border and filter all larger-scale shipping/travel in that area

Also, any big changes that would fix the nations issues would take many months to a year to put develop and test, and this likely would be a better fit for a nations 2.5/3 which only has a chance of happening anytime in the near future. They would also likely not be announced publicly in any way until the gamemode/changes/update is almost complete to prevent the problems that happened with the downtime between n1 and n2

well that can be made for n3

if it is implemented N3 would be awhile away because this would take months to do

I do not see how it could take months, like, upkeep already exists, Inn plots already exist, SF Armors already exist, the only thing that would need to be done would be to 1. Remove enchants 2. Add new names for existing plot types and a few plots types 3. add custom SF food and Brewery Brews, 4. Force some plot perms on (Like how PvP is forced on in arena plot), alternatively, instead of removing all enchants and making new armor types, just remove Unbreaking on Armor, add a brew with a higher level of str buff, to deal more durability damage, and then add a brew with ridiculous regen to counteract the str. and PvP part is already done, maybe I just don't know enough but it seems simple to me, but most of the stuff here already exists.

yea but all this will have to work with each punglins which will take time to fix, test and redo which will delay any nations reset

They should implement this in Kingdoms

this idea sucks

So the idea itself is not terrible with different features of towny being utilized and more plot types being created but lets be a bit real here. Most towny players have two types of plots being a home plot and a jail plot in their towns rarely if ever do you see them using things like a farm plot so the idea of plots is not a good idea at all.

Now the mechanic parts of your idea where pvp items are more expensive is fine and all but it makes newer players work harder for what older players have stockpiles of, making things more expensive now is a very bad idea that only impacts the newer players. Durability is an okay suggestion but for people who are sentimental about items and want to keep them for as long as possible will not like that idea.

Lastly your idea about war mechanics. Movecraft is essential for cannons since they are the only mobile cannons, if you limit movecraft further you limit the use of cannons to territorial defense and push the timeline of the server back to the 1700s essentially. What Id like to see with movecraft is the ability for crafts to occupy parts of your town and add to their nation much like how occupation works here but a plot by plot basis. For larger towns this can lead to more street to street combat you want to see and players having to work together with movecraft instead of relying soley on pvp.

I pretty much like all of this except changing vanilla pvp. Having custom enchants/durabilities/protection just makes it harder for new players to learn.

no just no, not for nations tbh

definetly not for nations it would just ruin it