Your existance makes me offended, its just like fockin everywhere, if youre bad you reduce the chances of winning, ofc you focking do, cuz ur bad its not meta, just get good

Runescape: You can still play Castle wars even if you are bad and not ruin other people's fun
Guild Wars: Anyone can join in the big fights and not negatively effect the efforts
Planetside 2: Literally the whole game is based around the idea all are welcome

Every long lasting mmo battle game doesn't use kill points. Also, as the average pvp skill of nations goes up its impossiblefor players to join wars till they get to their average. As if they are below it, they are a free kill point happy meal. You can't tell me a system where a player spends their own money on gear, and then told they cant participate as they arnt good enough, isn't dumb as hell and has been 100% the primary factor that has seperate pvper from non-pvpers.

It'd break my heart if nation got invaded, and I had to tell my citizens "sorry, you can't come, because you aren't good pvpers" . And "you can still participate" argument just deadass dies when you boil it down to what it is. "You can't even play without ltierally being a negative factor" <---- From a games design perspective, thats dumb as all hell.

The punishment should just be those players who'd grinded lose their gear. It shouldnt of been those deaths actively contributed to them losing. It made a lot of players never wanting to go to war again. There is 0 reason why non pvpers should be able to participate. It doesnt retract from pvper skill, as their skill would still make a huge difference , it just allows everyone to play without feeling like a burden.

Cannons
Movecraft
Guns
Traps

Use intelligence in siege not pvp skills

ya ijust except that intelliegence does not exist on ccnet

First get good second spam guns third kill ppl in ganks fourth movecraft cope lofi? No pvpers? Just get good smh

Not everyone is good pvper. U have a variety of skills u can choose from. Movecraft, Guns(yeah guns require skill some ppl fail to see it), Swords, Grinders.
Yes Grinders are very important.
IRL Napoleon said an army matches on its stomach impyling that logistics are a key to winning sieges. This isnt too far from the truth in ccnet. If you cant do any of these then there is something wrong with you eh?

I get all of that but its besides the point . You tell me with utter confidence a team of even 2 A tier pvpers wouldnt be able to kill 10 average mc players on a capture point single handedly. My argument is not make the non pvpers stronger, just make it that bringing in non pvpers to fight and cap isnt mechanically a disadvantage. Point is any bad pvper on the battlefield, 9/10, will be easy points for enemy pvpers to quick drop.

Bottom line, its almost universally been the case that shit tier pvpers cannot join a war due to mathematically reducing the odds of winning by being quick drops. Forcing them to grind or sit on the wall for the whole siege is just sad and it's not fun or a good solution. And it is that seperation that kills all sense of community on a lager scale. For 95% of players one of the biggest parts of the server is reduced to sitting on a wall and clicking a gun or not going at all.

Point is when 80-90% of a nation cant participate in a war because their presence on the ground is a 100% issue (thanks kill points system) , the system aint great.

Wars are not just for the super sweaty 7/10 pvpers on a server where everyone should be able to have fun with the world building and nation building. We need more room for non combaty players to do stuff on the ground and not just on the wall or grinding. Like people are already grinding all the time with a war or not. Or saying make traps.... pit traps, riveting war game play.... im not knocking your strat, i'm knocking the fact that is what it has to devolve to as to allow non pvpers to participate.

You're really in need of comically large amounts of copium.

If kills dont give points its gonna be a matter of who sits on the banner the most,yeah no I'll pass

Allow non pvpers to participate in pvp sounds so out of context,as if u want to force ppl to be good in something. I agree its sort of cringe how sweaty pvper from HCF servers are the shit rn but it doesnt mean you cant kill one with like a Tank or IFV. If your people are very vulnerable to death in field then just make them use something that doesnt make them vulnerable. Stop coping just adapt

Its not just sort of cringe , it's the meta. 90% of people are locked out of wars and if you go you get shouted at for being quickdropped and losing points. Or you dont even get the soldier rank. Basically people who dont play the server get to play the wars and the majority have to sit on the wall and shoot guns. From a games design perspective, "You can still participate but you'll help your team lose" is dumb as all hell.

From a war prespective killing people and getting no points is dumb as hell,meaning I can send 40 naked random novices to capture banner and if something goes wrong I dont get punished for it. You're the first person to ever complain about this tbh or atleast that I've seen complain about this. We all were newbies one day, my first siege was during n1 where I went to fight for SPQR Senegal vs Iberia. We lost battle but experience was gained. Im not saying you should bring all the novices from your nation to quickdrop on banner but you should test them on smaller sieges then pick soldiers. An army IRL isnt purely consisting of Militia,but rather Soldiers. Its your job to turn the Militia into Soldiers.

lofi you do realize that there is more to sieges than sitting on the banner and sword pvp right?
if you have 40 people who just downloaded the game yesterday they can still still in a fort / siege town and click on pvpers with a gun or use movecraft to cap banner or use cannons
there is plenty of stuff for people to do aside from sword pvp

Its a goddamn pvp server if u cant pvp go play with towny

Instead of writinf billion essays about this sh*t like everyone else ill say simply
Its skill based server, better side wins worse side looses, cope about it, people can still use diff tactics even bad ones, no f*cking way im letting 6yos fight in my siege though

Besides im no longer a pvper yet i can confidently say i make an impact on outcomes of siege despite not pvpig