I agree,at this point is just PvP clans fighting. This is not a Player base for the server.

and then those same pvpers call for nerfs to guns, further establishing the meta of *teleporting dozens of pvpers to a siege that is at the other side of the world*. very fun :thumbsup:
and not to forget the ''players'' who are brought on from other servers.

this is a persistent issue and it doesn't have a straightforward solution. I think disabling loot-drops in warzones could mitigate this somewhat. there is 0.00 motivation to go in combat as a builder, because you know you're going to die and it will make u feel bad for losing a good set & sword. but what else can you do?

2nd suggestion to mitigate this is taking away soldier rank (for 24h) from anyone who leaves their town. this doesn't prevent people from teleporting to sieges but it does prevent them from participating in a war they couldn't care less about.

I agree, but none of the solutions are a "free win". Here is the one I liked most: people must stay in their town for 12-24 hours before they can be given a nation military rank. This feature is actually already written, but it isn't implemented.

Would this work? Yes, but at the cost of eliminating surprise sieges. Attackers would be forced to create the siege town more than 24 hours in advance. Now you can begin to see the problem: all of these solutions have negative implications in one way or another.

Yes but zaify, based on the number of people and the speed they can call them if they were to get word of a siege they would do it way before it starts. How about making it average weekly playtime? People who actually play on the server and do stuff can play without having their day ruined by 20 FFA pvpers from some random server. How about implementing requirements for people to join sieges again? However this will limit some people who actually play on the server to play but its better for the attackers/defenders in general.

hypocritical for the coalition after they brought robloxians

Those robloxians are active ccnet players now. And also, needing playtime is lot better than 12h in town for rank

I can list 5 6 players that just do not log on until its only sieges, yes we do have people like that but the majority them are active now.

Aren't you guys did the same thing?
Anyway I think the zaify idea it is kinda good but it need some changes.
For example add a hour min global time to fight in a siege, like in a range of 30days you have to play in the server for like 2/3 days. I think it is a better idea than the one to put a min time to stay in a town a after 12/24h you are enable to fight, because this thing will also damege active players :/

>Would this work? Yes, but at the cost of eliminating surprise sieges.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but surprise sieges are a product of being able to teleport 20 people across the earth to your siege town in an instant. They are a product of the teleport exploit.

Besides, people who have to join a siege town, meaning their home town isn't anywhere near the siege region, shouldn't even be participating in those sieges. If you want a healthy game atleast.

The current siege landscape is extremely stale and it is exactly because of that. A siege in Asia may as well happen in Europe because the same people will turn up every. single. time. And who can fault them when you can teleport to the battlefield in a moment's notice?

I mean its fair Random People invited just to pvp and do killings instead doing grindings and doing long play in the server.

Bro lost another siege so another ticket has to be made

Had*

Framb, your arguments have not any sense. If you are crying about we brought a lot of players that aren't play in asia but they play in europe using an "exploit". I also would like to remember to you that who use this "exploit" were also you guys, so pls shut up :|

Darth_fener I only think of improving the game. Nowhere did I mention any nation or player. My arguments are sound.

And yes, using towny to travel 30.000 blocks in an instant is an unintended mechanism, an exploit. Many people are guilty of it including you. Maybe if you stopped thinking of Us vs Them in suggestions you wouldn't be derailing these threads.

What i'm saying my Frambaby is that when you use this "exploit" it is everything ok and you don't need to make a suggestion, when we use you need to make it XD. It is why you arguments aren't credible :/

You once again miss the point, well done. I made this suggestion like a week ago as well btw. Try explaining what's wrong with my suggestion instead of making up elaborate conspiracies.

Framb, you also don't understand my point :/

You dont have a point because I never used towny exploits unlike you and I'm not making this suggestion because I'm part of any team but because it's necessary to improve Nations. If you can't provide arguments to counter such suggestions just be quiet.

You realize the players we bring are currently active ccnet players?

Don't you fram? How much hypocrit are you man Xd?

Haven't left my town in months, prove otherwise Fener or stop making a fool of yourself :skull:

Shixe even if my side did bring Not CCNET active players. i dont support it. u should restart your brain

ijust if that is one of your arguments then why should ANY of your suggestions even be considered? you only happen to suggest these after YOU ***LOSE*** a siege.

1) its counter argument not argument

2) last time i saw u in siege was like year ago.. why are u commenting on siege related stuff?

Time limits are laaaaaame not my fault i dont have as much stuff to do on weekends. What I'd agree with maybe a month timer. As in player started playing 20 september he can participate in sieges on 20 october and then forever. This way it also prevents gun militia from forming up out of thin air

See Framb you don't understand Xd
I was talking about all of you guys, not in particolar you 🥳

I think this suggestion doesn't make any sense because both Nordic and other nations have players outside the ccnet that can invite, so let's stop crying and do some sieges

But a question i have is, how long does a person need to play to not be considered pvper outside cnnet?

My name is Frambaby not "Japan" or "Thracia" plz use ur brains for a bit Fener and this might go smoother next time

Who isn't using the brain is you Framb, honestly idk how you think xd
If we are talking about a thing that everyone are using, I will talk in general and not in particolar only you Framb. But ik it is kinda complicate understand without a brain

IMO the problem is more broad. It's not just about sieges being "fair", it's also about nations stopping recruitment of new players and only relying on allies and off-server PvPers. That's bad for nation-building and for the server as a whole. But I can't think of a way to stop this which isn't draconian or really unpopular — I don't want to kill sieges in the process!

Zaify u already have our consent if u want to try things out, just test and see feedback.