>This siege will behave like any other siege, only with a diffrent outcome -> the same as what a coup used to do.

so it's not actually a civil war and you can just invite foreign nations to fight at the besieged capital, defeats the purpose of coups

I did not actually think about this yet, even though you see it as a downside i think this could even add more dept to the civil war.

An option would be to make a nation rank in both nations called “outside_volenteer” or something which could be given to people outside that nation (and ofc not the opposing side of the civil war)
And make it so this rank can only be given to, lets say 5-7 people, you would also not be able to remove this role from someone untill the civil war is over, and if someone already has this role he cant have this role in another nation that has a civil war.

The other much simpler option is ofc to make it so outside nations cannot intervene lol

You could make it so only the members of the nation could be on the banner outsider nations couldnt participate points in the banner but the outsiders could still kill

Imagine if it was like having to take over all towns, each town gives points per claim whoever have more points at the end of the week gets to be nation leader, and all explosions get set on when civil war starts and get disabled after and everything reroll back each day

I've experimented with this idea before, but came to the conclusion that I would be almost impossible to make "fair"

allow me to explain the issues
1) The nation leader will just boot the town out the MOMENT they see additional players + they may implement a weekly kicking of all town's in the nation to reset the CV timer.

2) The ability to draft in an entire nation fighting force to besiege a capital with no defences sounds like a great way of having urban battles, but the attackers would have a HUGE advantage with their blackstone siege base only a few chunks away (assuming the nation capital is peaceful)

3) with the 2 issues outlined above, in practice large nations would infiltrate a nation (not really that hard honestly) win the siege with overwhelming force against an unfortified capital, leach all the money from their nation bank, make them a vassal of the main nation, leach them of EVERYTHING they have while you as the nation leader working against them (modifying perms)
(Similar to what AS did in the old days, it was not fun or enjoyable and caused nations to die)

4) On the other side, lets look at a nation that is in the same situation as described above, nation members would all band together in hope of sieging this new capital city, only to find a blackstone box and the oppressing nation waiting for them.


Solutions:
> Have a method of preventing easy foreign interference (E.G a "loyalty" variable that must be reached before starting /participating in a siege)
> Make it so a nation leader can't just immediately remove a town once something is up (so the moment civil war prep occurs, peaceful towns which are not transitioning become immune to removal,

Another thing I would like to suggest is the restriction of permissions in the capital/non-peaceful town, because if the capital has nation perms active, that can complicate things.


- Sorry for the long paragraph

Rick, thank you for the comment.

The addition of having the same perms in the besieged capital is a cool concept, by this you probably mean the use of doors, placing and breaking blocks etc. Only perms that should be restricted is the breaking/opening of chests.

The other solutions are in my opinion too complicated. I think staff should just make a new rule about the avoiding of civil wars.

Just do
>/t toggle peaceful (if u havent already)
>/n leave
>/n new
>/n enemy add (nation that u want to coup)
And place a banner. Im not saying thats similiar to the civil war, its not too much. The thing is a civil war siege is ultimately pointless because the loyalists would just make another nation and the fight would keep going forever. You essentialy just steal inactive towns.

Though I like the suggestion and I hope it gets implemented. Its way better than /seceede, which just never is going to happen and hasnt ever happened yet despite months of implementation.

Berry i was kinda just hoping to think of something that could replace the old coup system, for geopolitical purposes i guess.
I think that something like this adds more depth to the server

I like this suggestion since I don't think it would be that difficult to implement. The code for inviting towns to a seditious movement and then breaking off from the nation already exists through the seccession feature, which replaced coups.

But as Rick said, there would need to be safeguards to make sure civil wars don't just become a tool for big nations to take over small nations, like coups did.

So, you shouldn't be allowed to start a civil war if your town has only been in the nation for a few days or weeks.

Furthermore, only people who have been in the nation for some amount of time should be allowed to have soldier ranks. Otherwise the civil war host will recruit foreign PvPers just before they begin the civil war prep.

Good idea, hope you add it would add more tension to the server😂