I'm not sure but for me personally sieges have been more engaging and fun, where I don't have to go through the phase of regret/sadness just because I lost a set.

But it's just my personal opinion

I know but at the end of the day its just a block game and u dont need to be sad mad or regreted that u did something that got u killed its fine to get killed lose stuff and sets everyone used to untill this last month and everyone used to deal with it.

You just play blockgame why u mad and stop crying about losing set do u not have sets to play ur so funny bro legit scared to lose stuff in block game u pay stuff in game and u don't care about that but when is about 1 set u cry lol imagine crying so hard over set

I Didnt read yall comments but No No No No No No to keep inventory it makes the game so boring like i want to get more sets 🖕🏼

Why not instead make it a choice, lose money or lose your set. That way the pvp'ers always get something, but anyone who doesnt want to regrind sets over and over again can keep theirs

Fyi, you aint gonna convince zaify by simply saying "stop crying"

bro remove keep inv there is no earning in sieges no one gets anything

Theres a warchest

I think the keep inventory is good as it stops random insta kills making you lose a set. I do think it’s broken tho with the percentage and the percentage should be upped. As a player who gets low and panic pots until he escapes I should not be able to fight alnh using all my pots hurdsell 3 times using all my pots and random skirmishes using all my pots before dying in a 5v1 and not dropping my set without repairing once.

Sets dropping after a kill is the most satisfying thing pvpers can experience during sieges. I think sets shouldn’t drop to gun kills tho.

if they disable it people will just stay on top of the walls and shoot with guns which you also hate

"at the end of the day its just a block game"
Same argument can be used against you. If it's a "block game" why do you care so much about gathering a lot of sets that you won't end up using?

keep inventory is the best thing to happen yet, its not even a matter of sets , i specifically prepared dubs on dubs of sets for sieges so its not even that, it stops people from killing nakeds on their way to fort. the amour breaks anyway and you can get it sometimes, everyone who wants keep inventory off should not be talking because they are in multi million dollar nations and can have infinite sets. you guys dont care about the sets, you care about the fact that people who didnt pvp because they were low on money can now pvp. stop crying so hard and realise thats this server is a place for everyone. just because you cant fill your testorone by killing people for sets and watch them get sets doesnt mean thats you should cry.

If your lazy and dont want to read that.

**Everyone complaining is from rich nation and doesnt need sets**
**you dont like the sets you like being toxic and calling people trash after they lose a set to you**
**smaller nations can actually go out and pvp??? isnt that what you all want in a siege?**


and for you prom mlg "You just play blockgame why u mad and stop crying about losing set do u not have sets to play ur so funny bro legit scared to lose stuff in block game u pay stuff in game and u don't care about that but when is about 1 set u cry lol imagine crying so hard over set"


you are a good pvper okay? does it make you happy when you attack builders and they drop sets? each set is worth mabe 800-1000 dollars which is alot.

do you want people to lose their set and just sit out the siege because they are too expensive to replenish??

stop crying.

latest siege was a 32v12 and you are gonna talk about unfair?

the amount of people who tried pvp was outstanding i can gurantee at least half of the fighters at dunlace were first time pvpers or gunspammers. stop coping that you cant call people trash.

get better soonn. xoxo

Aliitsme or people learning strats. I legit showed up halfway through learning a strat

I also saw a few movecrafters pvping for dunlace

And Aliit is correct it’s all the “pvpers” crying cause they’re folding to confident randoms which they know are confident cause they don’t drop a set. The good pvpers like carb and epf aren’t crying? It’s all the trash ones who are folding now.

team lets do a numbers count!!!!

im going to put next to their name how far they are from britain!!!

Makontitis
Devplayz
Alnh
29cmruler
sqnky
witherv
melkron
sciath
hurdsell
ogtorta
skulled
JHgabriel
idcdebug
purk
mrjflea
trrs
death3204
ziedmied
gingfulglider
xtinct
Nazareth
Imnotfar
Gqldn
Iasin
wrecker
enorme
Scatlxnd
betreq
prommlg
s3xyray
darius black
Rxdd1234

32 opps in my forttttt

vs


our side aliitsme
juliano13
maximish (gunspammer
Panino28
Killalines
adampro (gunspammer)
contt
mcsamj
zanity
4dior (gunspammer)
nightly axu
nightly allu
aliitsme

9 pvpers!!!

if you can even call them pvpers.

Nightly axu
nightly allu
mcsamj
z4nity
juliano13
Panino28
aliitsme

7v 32

4:1

yeah......... we need keep inventory

anyone saying we should remove keep inventory are people who stay up all night and day fighting in sieges against people have never pvped a day in their lives.

im proud to say even tho we were outnumbered 4:1 we still put an effort and almost won.
glory to britan

Keep inventory is a good feature. Withouth it the rich would get richer for no reason. I have 4 dubs of sets and i never used more than half if one chest. Let the new players have some fun withouth regret

A huge majority of mc players will never consider making more than 1 set, most ppl see 1 maxed good set as already a lot to have. Loosing that will just demoralise them

Why is dunlace siege brought up here

Just because your side doesn't have numbers it isn't our fault

dunlace siege is an example for the reason why keep inventory should not be removed

I'm leaning towards keeping it but I'm still undecided. I'd like to see larger sieges with this enabled, and some of the supposed benefits of keep inventory accrue over time. If we do keep this, I do think we need to introduce new forms of rewards at sieges. I am already discussing how that could look like with a couple of people. Alternatively, keep inventory could be limited to breaks only, although I feel that eliminates most of its benefits.

Here are some of the reasons behind why keep inventory was enabled:

1. The concept of "loss aversion". People feel losses twice as strongly than equivalent gains. When someone loses a set, loss aversion says that the intensity of their frustration is greater than the intensity of the killer's satisfaction. This is a net negative in sieges.

2. Some players were taking set losses too seriously and (literally) screaming at those who died at sieges, typically less experienced players. In the same vein, newer players were banned from going to sieges because they were considered "free sets for the enemy".

3. New player nations usually have very few sets which also takes them a long time to acquire, and kept losing them all during their first battle sessions. Keep inventory could help new nation retention in this regard.

4. From what I've heard, most of the sets that PvPers acquire during sieges are locked away in their private chests and never seen again. Those sets are effectively sucked out of the game. Beyond satisfaction and bragging rights, it's not clear what benefit they gain from accumulating so many sets.

The people who want it removed are people who got used to normal minecraft pvp and want to preserve it. While I agree that some aspects should be close to vanilla pvp to appeal to those kind of players it doesnt mean it should fully be the same. Its a war server after all so it should have main priority of making it more warlike instead of vanilla fight like.

The set price on its own might not be much but when you have to make quite a lot of them it adds up. The time is not something crazy but grinding is not meant to be the whole games concept. I want to do 6 other things on the server apart from grinding for wars and have no time to do any of those to the point of me questioning why im even playing if it feels like a factory job repeating same steps for hours just to be able to "play the game" normally. Not to mention that with these changes you can actually wear netherite armor in combat without straight up wasting money (and unb4 on armor but that doesnt change much, armor lasts 3% longer)

As for zaifys reasons, I can hardly agree with number 2 since we indeed have screamed at random people dying in stupid ways and then number 1 where they feel bad since they lost their "everything" and dont want to participate in wars anymore. As number 4 goes, its more about their dopamine levels getting high when they kill someone and see shiny things drop. They care more about that and their benefits more than what might be better for the server to be appealing for players of all skill levels

I would rather spend 10x more time setting up my equipment than losing it in a fight. I prefer customizing equipment rather than having it expendable

aliitsme if you simply cannot defend your own nation and start coping in every single suggestion even making some then maybe its time for the uk to disband

Who voted no is too poor to loze a set and doesn't have rights to talk

it has more benefits than downsides

As someone who just started coming to sieges, this has made me slightly more confident knowing I can actually afford to be killed. You still will have damaged sets and lost equipment but on a smallerr scale. If we are aiming for a more fun and less grindy server, this is the way.

Pretty much Zaify is bang on the money with this.

I prefer having keep inv on so I dont prevent literally every person except from a select few to participate in a siege. Its almost crazy how no grinder has complained about this addition but the ones that do no grinding do. Personally Im on net positive of sets from every siege even if its not a massive number, I still prefer giving most of the community a chance to fight back against people that no life pvp servers or bring others from said servers. Its a server called "Nations" and its main focus should be Nation-Building not gank hole esport meta long shiny black/blue stick ooga booga

When we were building they studied the blade

"4. From what I've heard, most of the sets that PvPers acquire during sieges are locked away in their private chests and never seen again. Those sets are effectively sucked out of the game. Beyond satisfaction and bragging rights, it's not clear what benefit they gain from accumulating so many sets." Yeah, pretty much, a great point actually!

I don't really see an argument for removing keep inv besides "unga bunga me want 5th dub of set >:(" and as someone who has never lost more gear than gained at a siege I fully support keep inv and I think it could lead to some better (less tryhardy) nations forming that don't have to spend 15 hours a day grinding sets due to non-tryhards dying at sieges.

I liked the Britain siege because I watched a bunch of people I've never seen before go to a siege and actually get kills, even outnumbered. It was probably nice for them to actually participate in a siege and not just get all their gear stolen by tryhards, nevermind it's nice to not have 5 people begging for more gear in party/ally chat constantly because they died.

bro like come on people come to sieges just to earn sets nothing else, if there is keep inv in sieges no one will come, like all pvpers/most of them come to sieges to get sets, like if u dont have a lot of sets just dont come

bro allit if u guys are outnumbered then surrunder or disband ur nation,

"bro like come on people come to sieges just to earn sets nothing else"

your sole focus in sieges should be winning as you would suffer consequences if you don't

Zied is a pro in this trust me, he died so many times during and before sieges and lost all his sets and ended up abandoning his nation. The whole mentality of "if you are losing just quit the game" in the responses is something you see on national geographic. Out of all the people you see in sieges, 99% are the ones that were in the server for months, even years. You would hardly see a new face in those sieges unless its a recruit from another server that is already good at pvp.

To balance this out we might need to add some new military rank in the nation that would give them like a debuff. Losing only like 30% of the original points at the cost of not being able to use cannons, movecraft and doing 50% less damage. Mostly for the "come participate in wars" if someone is bad so at least they have fun participating and learning the game instead of being a hinderance

Zaify got it right on all his points, i legitimatly have 3 or 4 dubs of sets and ive never used more than half a dub
I thougth of a system of reward in sieges, what if when you killed someone that had a binding netherite sword you gained a binding rune while the enemylooses soulbound but keeps the sword? I like this also becouse it can make binding cheaper for new players, the ah prices for these runes are inflated in my opinion. If hou dtill think that gaining a binding rune from a neth soulbound kill is too much, then make it a corruption rune. I think that next to these additions, the percentege at which you drop your set could be possibly set 5 or 10 percent higher

Zaify is right look at vanghun carb was shouting at everyone who died to IFVs cause they lost a set. Plus it’s only the pvpers who care about gaining sets that are complaining. And pvpers have too many sets if I can spend a siege taking sets off carb and dying everytime I push there’s something wrong with the amount of sets owned by the best pvpers.

zied mied can not be talking. multiple times you asked for a 1v1 and when you started losing your teamates came in.

i can say confidently without keep inventory only 4 brits would have gone to the siege. people need to practice pvp in real sieges and we would like to try against those sweaty pvpers without losing our entire nations worth of sets.

"Who voted no is too poor to loze a set and doesn't have rights to talk"

respecfully shut up darius. I have 150k to my name but im not going to waste it on sets that will go down the drain.

"lose a set" its not just one. people die multiple times in sieges. stop acting rich because you can ask melkron for money whenever.

"aliitsme if you simply cannot defend your own nation and start coping in every single suggestion even making some then maybe its time for the uk to disband"

coping in every suggestion enorme? its because alot of these suggestions are related to me.

dunlace is the perfect example of every suggestion

"keep inventory" allows new players to pvp in siege without getting screamed at.

I can confirm that I have screamed at some players for stupid stuff.

i can also confirm a person who we will call marcus for toxicity reasons screamed at someone called "marco" for not opening ganks in time. imagine how much he wouldve yelled if he had lost a set and not just points.

siege cooldown.

another good example. i want to build a better fort because if the entire coalition is gonna be on my butt 24/7 may as well have a good fort. its not coping.

enorme you are not even that good of a pvper so idk why you talk.

id like to see ANYONE who actually makes the sets themselves talk this. solomon (japanese person ingme) makes all the sets for you guys, i think he would be pretty happy about keep inventory so he doesnt need to grind mindlessly for hours for sets.

have some fricking empathy and realise not everyone has stuff given to them.

Aliitsme I grinded 16 sets for myself before shimazu. In 3 sieges I lost all 15 I made to pvp. I think that shows how muc sets you go through considering I took sets off carb during the first day of the 3rs siege I like keep inventory it lets me play aggressive without the fear of losing a set.

Everyone who needs an ego is coping. Ezo has agreed with the change. Ijust carb xtinct turtle haven’t complained about it. Carbs words tk me when it changed was “sad I can’t gain sets but we don’t need them” then followed up by me saying I like it I don’t lose sets and carb agreeing we won’t lose sets at sieges much anymore so he didn’t care about the change cause he don’t need the ego boost of “ooooooh shiny” after killing someone.

How do u guys loose so much sets per siege, i loose like one per siege max is 3 set per siege

Ruleblocks it’s called annoying ijust and being hunted while being a movecrafter not a pvper

im literally a movecrafter that fights at banner with sword, thats crazy

I despise valuing sieges for only a piece of shiny blue material that not everyone necessarily has the time to grind for themselves. The true point of the siege is victory, sure material loss is a side bonus (and maybe needed to win) but before it was basically 'gather more pro pvpers' if none of the actual people participating in your nation were able to hold up against the other side. All the big nations have used this at one point or another, with said pvpers just storing sets away. Now the material pressure has shifted to infrastructure to power and supply to repair sets. Now per each death it is 5 duct tape minimum to repair back the damage if all items return back to you. Sure, maybe not much but that adds up as well if repeated deaths occur.
Also we want participation which is important (except to you pvpers with an ego, maybe brag about kills instead now), which this change does enable more active participation because people know they can at least, participate without being
penalized severely (aka lose sets and have everyone be mad cuz one stupid shiny set gone). I really don't know why we're still hashing over this still, it takes a bit of empathy and some thinking.

fury thats the thing, people lack empathy.... "its just a block game" sure but it took REAL time. someone had to spend hours grinding sets.

imagine if you poured hours into building a fort out of popsicle sticks in real life and someone knocks it over and says "its just popsicle sticks"

Even though aliitsme isn't my most favorite person at least I can respect him trying to bring new people to the siege and from the servers perspective that should be rewarded. A lot more than what most other people who commented on this suggestion did in the past year. Most of yall either call old players or outside pvpers cause recruiting people from random joins and having them be good at something is close to impossible and time consuming. If you press TAB at any given time of the day, like at least 80% of the people you see are casuals who arent that good at pvp that do all the other nations gameplay aspects such as building, roleplay, trading, etc. While pvpers do carry the war experience it shouldnt really be limited to those people who log on once every 1-2 weeks to fights

I think all this could be resolved if we go back to my suggestion with smaller nations and bigger nations, with smaller nations getting to have keep inventory. For example Nc sieges Brtian in that siege there should have keep inventory but if for example Thracia sieges Rome that siege shouldnt have keep inventory bec theyre both well estalblished organized nations with organized xp farming so its fair. Or to take inspiration from this and I think it could work out.

Lordsrubka has a fantastic point and really covers the whole thing, ZAIFY added the loyalty system to stop outsider pvpers to log on once a siege and then log off.

Keep inventory makes people active, the amount of people who want to be part of the British Military is alot, however few are considered "good" enough for the current siege standard if we don't lose sets we may as well let them fight, what's the worst that can happen? We lose pots, tape and energy? It gives extremely valuable experience, experience which wouldn't be gained if keep inventory was off

Loyalty on top of preventing log on pvpers also prevented town hoppers mid siege which was also one of the "more important meta gameplay moments"

As far as them not being good at combat, I mentioned somewhere that maybe there should be a new military rank added that would prevent them from using movecraft, cannons and such and make them deal half the damage but make them lose like 75% less points so they can participate and get experience and not lose that many points (if they are bad they will die like 4x easier and more often than other people so them giving same points might not be ideal)

Ruleblocks gun spamming gets old quick if no one needs movectafters so I go pvp for the fun. Instead of hanging back and waiting for carb to be by my side (go check his montages if you see me pvping it’s always with him) I can pvp without needing him to save me or my set is gone.

lol i understand ali because its his town getting sieged and he wants to be free so bad but who is this lordsbukra guy XD

imagine having anger isuess with a block game like what are u gona do in real life if u have problems in game when u die u lose set u get mad and blah blah blah bro its a block game wake up pls this is just a computer game and imagine wut u gona do irl if this happens like what u gona crit? strafe? bomb? please take my suggestion as a normal suggestion for a game not as an irl problem.

your suggestion is barely readable

Wrecker lordsrubka is a person who despite our differences respects my opinion. Because that's all it is. An opinion. I didn't comment on this post to just cope I came to give my suggestion in order to put quality feedback into the community to make changes that Benefits the comet craft network server playerbase. And lords rubka feels I have valid points and is defending me from idiots who just swear and yell when they are wrong. ,(Enorme )

Atleast i dont cry all day

Wr3cker youre just ignoring why is this a thing lol

Aint no way i got called being a random by a person with average 1 hour daily online time