the fact that you are the only one complaining about this machinic that has been in use since early 2022 tells something

Only time I’ve seen it happen Ngl ruleblocks

i dislike the fact med siege is 3am and midatlantic is 5:30am for me (i think) unfortunately there cant be siege times that fit every single timezone.

Aliit it’s more about the EU server and people can abuse the early time sieges to start sieges on Thursdays and at times when eu is sleeping. Furthest behind uk I can think of is 5h so it would make sieges happen on Friday for everyone

so pj would yu want sieges to start later from now or earlier

Later then they do currently as suggested a 6am start for sieges to be called. That makes it 5am in the uk and then makes it so there’s not ridiculously early sieges and there’s no Thursday sieges

imagine being british L.

Basically I want early morning sieges to be removed as it’s a pain. (I like sleeping in late not waking up at 6 cause someone decided to place at 1am)

And kn the process it removes Thursday sieges for Americans

Basically change the game so its easier for you, if we change the siege window someone else might be affected by the time and then another suggestion like this is gonna occur

ruleblocks i think a survey is due because i think that the majority think this is an inconviennt time.

we should run a survey for timezones to find out

The point of SiegeWar is that it works for all timezones.

The moment you start adding siege windows, people in other timezones will begin to be excluded. We already see this with naval sieges.

Average uk member coping

Enorme are you demented?!?!? I’m not uk im carb empire. And I can see this being a trend of sieging at 1am cause it’s not a decent time for defenders.

Idc what nation u are this has been a thing since the beginning of n2 and i only see yall making suggestions when it doesnt work for yall these are selfish suggestions made by the coping side

Selfish cause I think sieges at ridiculous times of the day shouldn’t be allowed as it’s a siege not a cap war. There’s supposed to be fighting. Not just the enemy placing the banner when the enemy can’t log on and mass capping. Your just salty people want something that goes against your side.

You do realise mass capping whilst enemy is offline cannot be effective anymore, that is not an issue.

It’s still an issue cause they can masscap like 8k in a single session with max players. So if someone can’t log on to contest for 6 hours that’s 16k points the defenders have to make up while being contested.

Me when yall were the ones to abuse it into oblivion the most. Mfs awake for whole 2 days capping banner and then tell others to cope. If you cant talk nornally in suggestions then dont talk. Everyone complainee about offline capping ever since siegewar was added in N1. Do you not remember avoiding every fight against Sparta and only showing up when no one was there?

They cant add siege windows since they need to allow people of all timezones to play. The newest addition of limited offline capping shifts that problem a bit but you need 40k points in order to sleep peacefully knowing that you will win even if they fully cap 4 sessions in a row

Possible other fixes might inclide increasing the max points you can have, lowering capping points to increase value of kills and sinks or adding new ways of getting points idk

So your saying no one in your nation or any of your allies can log on during that time frame, and now you realized that it is a negative mechanic towards your nation. And again this has been implemented since early N2 and no one in since then has complained about the siege window.

Rule blocks just cause it’s been in use for a while doesn’t mean it’s affected a siege negatively. If you cannot log on enough players to contend mass cap you are at a massive disadvantage going into it. As rubka said another option could be to lower cap points (maybe while enemies are offline) so that you can’t masscap while the enemy can’t contend for a massive advantage. Honestly people are so quick to say “stop coping” when it is a suggestion to remove something that negatively affects the gameplay.

No one complained about the siege window during the shimazu sieges. Those were the most unfair night caps in siege history, -40k to 40k just over a night, now they changed the way mass cap works and you are still complaining

Ruleblocks people complained about it hence why there is a cap on cappers. You didn’t see any of us telling coalition to stop coping over us mass capping when they couldn’t contend. Idk why shimazu is relevant here when this is about early morning sieges giving the people who place banner a massive advantage going into the siege.

> And again this has been implemented since early N2 and no one in since then has complained about the siege window

legit people complained every war since it was added in N1 yall delusional 💀
Do yall want me to pull up proof from 2019-2020? No clue if i can find it though

I said N2 what you gonna say when someone say the window is unfair?

How is n1 relevant in n2? I’m saying with how much the skill level has improved one side going in with 16k points lead is a massive advantage. This ain’t the mass siege of shimazu days where 16k points was nothing. Nowadays 16k points is a massive advantage and coalition is telling us to cope cause we wanna have normal sleep schedules and not be up at midnight to contest banner.

How is n1 relevant in n2? I’m saying with how much the skill level has improved one side going in with 16k points lead is a massive advantage. This ain’t the mass siege of shimazu days where 16k points was nothing. Nowadays 16k points is a massive advantage and coalition is telling us to cope cause we wanna have normal sleep schedules and not be up at midnight to contest banner.

So u want to give coalition disadvantage by making it so you can log on more bu shifting the time frame

I’m suggesting making it so you can’t start a siege till it’s Friday for everyone not just the server time. That way it gives majority of people a chance to sleep and wake up at a decent time for a siege without being down alot of points. They constantly complained about naval sieges and got that changed in their advantage and then us complaining about them sieging at 1am for us is something for us to be ashamed of?

You cant change the time frame without affecting someone else, you have to be smart enough to know that.

> No one complained about the siege window during the shimazu sieges. Those were the most unfair night caps in siege history

I was the one that asked for offline capping limits bro. I was the one who dmed zaify on russians behalf to push that update to happen. I have dms as proof brotha. Just cause its not in a suggestion forum doesnt mean that its not talked about or complained about. Mostly unfair things dont need a suggestion to be changed so people dont make them and ask staff directly

Capping the banner when no one is there is a scummy move and boring activity. Its a war server so it should focus around fights instead of camping when its not contested. If you win the sessions that are heavily contested, the score should not made possible to revert to 0 cause the other side has no life which happens cause there is a cap limit so you can not gain a big advantage during those contested sessions. If you can gain like twice the points in contested sessions compared to what the enemy can get offline, the complaints would be less

Hence why k said make it so it’s Friday for everyone. Yes it affects others but it does say sieges are on a Friday so they could do it that way. Or as I said agree rubka suggested it of making cap points less when the enemy is offline making early morning sieges not very useful.

> How is n1 relevant in n2?

Its the same plugin mechanics. Same issues with people waiting for you to go offline to get banner control with outnumbering forces

As far as the starting time of the banner goes, its not needed as long as they cant overcap you when you go to sleep on the last day. So instead of changing the time when the banner starts and ends its better to focus on that

I agree with rubka here make it so you get 50% of the points if it’s not contested so that there isn’t a massive disadvantage for people who can’t contest. Or make it so the capper limit is 4 players if there isn’t an enemy online not just the siege zone. So if theres a defender online there’s a normal cap limit and if there’s not a defender online there’s a reduce cap limit. Just to make it so early morning sieges aren’t the meta for no life nations.

Ruleblocks I’m tryna tell if your serious. Legit shimazu siege was started at 6pm on a Friday for me at one point. That meant I got home from school at 3 on the Monday for the siege to still be happening. There’s still a way to make it so they’re at school when the siege is happening.

Right now you can get like 37.8k points in 4 sessions while the enemy is sleeping I think? Thats 95% of the total advantage you can have. I do not think that is a very nice thing to have. That means you legit can not lose 2k points under the cap limit before going to sleep which is a very small amount of points. It might be better if we either divide all point gains by 5x or increase the max points to 200k. Either one of those two would allow you to stock up on quite an advantage which helps you secure a win without stress of offline capping in bigger sieges. For sieges with smaller number of people is a bit harder but those hardly happen or are important enough to need a lot of time balancing

Im not salty at all ur just coping 247 what if u put that time into the game instead of coping zaify already put a capper limit im on sieges

I'm sorry I'm going to have to disagree with this one it is only advantageous towards certain people in certain timezone and will not benefit people in other timezones, simple as that

Enorme we legit aren’t coping it’s us wanting a siege to be a siege not a miserable cap while enemies can’t contend fest. All you go is tell us to stop coping in our suggestions. We didn’t tell you stop coping when you lot complained about naval sieges. So maybe don’t reply to ours only to tell us to stop coping and not be productive. You need to think about it From a whole server perspective not just yours.

Nezha I have also said in the comments that even something like less points while the enemy is offline would work. It just stops the side who can no life the most getting a massive advantage. Sorry if wanting a siege that’s actually pvp not who can life the most is me coping but hey everyone is thinking of it from their perspective not just from the whole servers perspective.

In my opinion I feel like the recent nerf on mass capping made by zaify is enough, in a recent siege in Asia a defending nation didn't fought at all in the siege to defend their unpeaceful town and even 2 days in the siege the points of the siege seems to still be reverseable by the defenders although many points have been done by the attackers capping

Nezha as i said early morning sieges still give enough time to get almost max points

> what if u put that time into the game instead of coping

How about people put time into playing the game to develop nations via building, economy and roleplay and not to spend half their free time on practicepvp and the other half placing stone bricks. The capper limit was made that prevented from going +40k to -40k in one night. You can still go +40k to +2k

> All you go is tell us to stop coping in our suggestions

they hardly provide any information on why its not broken apart from "just get good". As I said in quite a lot of suggestions already, try to press TAB once in your life and check whos online. Quite a lot of the people you see there are not good at pvp so are you saying that they dont deserve to play and have fun? That is like at least 80% of the playerbase. Its stupid to even think that goosious and zaify can s**t out a perfect war system in their first time that doesnt have any flaws so stop telling people to not complain about stupid mechanics of it. When your side complained about naval siege zones was that also a cope moment cause you couldnt win them? Was that also a scenario where you should have "gotten good"? Preferably either stop talking if all you do is say cope or provide a valid argument to why you should be able to lose 95% of the max advantage you have while sleeping

While sat here bored I just realised that if I was doing this cause it’s against us I’d do after the siege as if zaify was to roll something that limits points capped while enemies are offline we can’t cap the points back while coalition sleeps. Plus Enorme this is a block game if I cared that much I’d have logged on at 1am and contested them

team lets talk about the fact that they could cap whilst i sleep and remove all my points!!!

I can agree with pji with it being kinda annoying but I don't rlly see it as a problem with the new plugin where you can't cap with more than 8 people when there's no enemies so not really a big problem tbh

well xtinct yes and no... if they prepare 8 people to cap instantly they have 83 minutes of capping at 80 points per min (or 40 i forgot wether it was 5 or 10 points a minute)

**Banner place time 2am**

8 players go on banner immediately and cap with 83 minutes of capping left. 20 seconds=5 points meaning 15 points= 1minute therefore 15x83= 1245 points per person per session

1245x8 9960.

Almost 10k points in the first session.

Now that session is over its 3:30am new battle session starts at 5am

another 10k points

now the people wake up and they see they are losing a siege by 20k points.

I dont want to hear anyone saying anything about "get pvpers in different timezones" "stay up later" "stop coping"

this is a legit problem, a complex one to fix but waking up with 20k points is **BAD**