i am too lazy to read but i agree!

and please more staff in EU, especially no life people. We usually don't see any staff in days and some tickets take over a week to get respond by a mod+

Vague rules gotta be fixed and that’s a fact.

i agree

stop pining everyone in server about it bruh....

I can completely agree. Some staff needs to be demoted, for expample: neboogles. Neboogles havent been playing for at least the last 2 months, he isnt active, he isnt helpfull and toxic. He has a large history going against staff, and being toxic, he also abused his powers not only one time on ccnet nations while he got his T-helper rank. I have no idea how he got promoted to Helper, but should be demoted. The second staff is LilDumplingBoy, not a long time ago, he got banned by Ineusia for alting, which was definetly completely true, i didnt see any proof, or heard that the player "cevaykn" is not his alt. LilDumplingBoy, also abused his staff powers such as neb, that i will tell rn, before the anti afk plugin was removed, they had their staff rank in the game, which means u cant get kicked while afk, but if u didnt have donator rank u would get kicked after 15 minutes. Neboogles and LilDumplingBoy, almost every day of the weeks, afk-d for crazy amount of time, 12-16 hours. They made crazy amount of XP, or any other stuff thanks to their staff rank, they cant get kicked out of the game. LilDumplingBoy is friends with MrTurtleGamer, who duped months ago, with other players, inculding an other staff member called ShootingRice. He also knew about the dupe, and the duped money, but still didnt report it to staff. Some says, it isnt bannable because its over 2 weeks? So i could just dupe a million dollars, keep it a secret and 2 weeks later i wouldnt get banned? Or i would get banned but not Teutonic??? Just because they have staff that protects them?? They are also extremely bias, and should be demoted.

1) The rules... I can agree with but they are a work in progress currently

2) we do have punishment guidelines, which are invaluable when first starting out, but there are cases which require a little extra, or reduced punishments, that is where we stray from protocol, although that is in rare cases or we are asked to do so (by the prosecutor)

3) Open discussion sounds interesting, but ban appeals already offer a method to communicate with staff, even your punisher
3.1) As you may have heard, our ticket system was overburdened with tickets, i dont think the ticket approach is the best idea

4) You bring up a big issue, there is a large step up in responsibility and permissions from a moderator to an admin, probably one of the main limitations is player sacrifice. If you dont know already, admins can no longer participate in the game modes in ccnet (nations), under the presumption that they can abuse their powers/make things unfair.

--extra note: trial helpers when?

peti this is not the place to get staff demoted, as I said idgaf about the people the system is the problem.

answering to rick,
2) Still, any edge case should get put in the rules because "stray from protocol" is becoming very common .-.
3) Appeals get either approved or liquidated in two sentences with no real "appeal" option
3.1) Another category + limited to 1 ticket-appeal per person & another discord if things get taken to an extreme

for every other point I agree

Ahhh, should of mentioned said guidelines hopefully getting a rework with the refined rules

I just feel that people would just make a ticket because "ticket easier, L, cope, mald, @staff"

I admit appeals can be left there with no real verdict, I personally dont make decisions based on bans that were made by staff of a higher rank (literally all of them) since more often then not they have the whole picture (something i can't gain access to)

Id also disagree with the comment of no eu staff, there are quite a few and at least one of us is on each day - we’re doing our best with irl commitments and playing ccnet, but i wouldnt say we’re not there at all

i suggest, recruit more staff members, thats what zaify did few months ago and we had 2 active members every day constantly, till they died out

Demote neb and dumpling, recruit new ones, simple

There is no maximum "capacity" for staff members, and dumpling frequents the server quite often lending a hand.

but yes, more trial helpers when (after yall submit some more applications :skull:)

i would do an application but it wont get accepted

Rick already touched on this a bit but granting more permissions to helpers is a huge risk of both security and fair gameplay. Helpers have always held the rank of a glorified chat moderator. That’s how it was when I was a helper as well. Helpers were never designated or supposed to represent mini moderators. They’re around for small chat offenses and for checking theft. It would be more wise to promote our active helpers to moderators instead of blindly handing them more power.

Zaify had asked me a while back if helpers should be given rollback perms. I said no. You can dupe times with rollback perms, you can undo an entire fortress, you can heavily abuse rollbacks if you’re given the opportunity. More mods would be a better idea.

One issue we suffer from is the lack of quality players submitting EOIs. 95% of our EOIs are from pvpers who have vocally been against CCNet and the staff team, but they want the perms of staff for personal benefit. Once we introduced trial helpers, those numbers quickly dwindled once people realized they can’t get immediate full staff access. There’s just simply not enough players interested in genuinely helping the server. Many want perms for selfish reasons.

Well, tbh if neb is a staff anyone can be a staff #free my gang

Last thing I’ll comment on is ban times. Nearly every time someone is banned (unless it’s a straight forward offense) staff discuss it with each other and agree on a ban length. Those controversial month long bans aren’t just a single staff member having a bad day. It’s a group effort and one member takes the fall (usually myself or Ineusia).

Admins have always been given permission to ban at discretion. We have punishment guidelines that we’ve strayed from because the harassment many of us face. Did you know, major harassment (first offense) is supposed to be a one month ban? Exploiting and duping (third offense) is supposed to be a permaban with no appeal. We’ve strayed from these to accommodate what the playerbase deems acceptable, and these numbers get smaller and smaller as staff get worn down by literal threats and harassment.

If we make a new punishment guideline we’ll likely keep it public this time around to avoid controversy, but keep in mind our ban times have changed for a reason.

camb the only reason why 95% of EOI's are pvpers is because the only people actually making impact on the server are pvpers and movecrafters with few FEW exceptions which dont want to be staff, instead of giving helpers more power server should get more helpers, and whats funny is that each staff member things different, one tells u building traps where ppl log off is illegal, the other tells u its completely legal and then u get banned for it, i miss when the server actually had active staff instead of just 1 logging on for 2 hours and thats about it,

Humik, while a can't speak for all staff (they are people too) we do actually ask each other questions and alter our judgement based on what is said.

I know i ask quite a few questions, maybe to the point of annoyance, but that is the length i go to to ensure im "right"
being a PVPer is not the issue, I would personally like a pvper on the team to actually provide guidance on what is what and if an idea is good or not, but as cam said prior, their EOIs are either not good enough (1 sentence per question does not cut it) or they are doing it to benefit themselves (like me :P)

You’ve also gotta consider variability in how people report or ask questions. Someone asking “is it legal to make a trap” is way different than asking “is it legal to make a trap on top of someone’s spawn point”. There’s so many instances of players asking purposefully vague questions to get staff approval, then when they’re banned for breaking a rule, they scream “i had staff approval!”

Sure there’s a few subjects we’ve been inconsistent on, and I promise you we are in the process of correcting those inconsistencies, but the vast majority of “staff banned me for this but didn’t ban this guy!!!” involves many more variables than surface level.

Peti dumpling didn't alt
It was another case of ineusia being ineusia

Just because you don't know who cevaykn is doesn't make the narrative turn this whole shebang into an alt LMAO get real.

he said get real^^^ pay attention

I feel like this is just something you want for personal benefit

Jungle, are u dumb, leave, just leave